Fwd: Myricaria in Kashmir

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov, 2020, 5:37 pm
Subject: Fwd: Myricaria in Kashmir
To: jmgarg1 <jmg...@gmail.com>, Tabish Qureshi <tab...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Dear Garg ji, Tabish ji and Saroj

Today morning I wrote this mail to Dr. Anzar for his opinion. I find that we have not been able to sort out our images of Myricaria and Tamarix connvinsibly. 

1. Is Myricaria elegans (now correctlly Myrtama elegans, Tamaricaria elegans) depicted on Flowers of India Correctly identified?

2. Is my Myricaria bracteata from Pahalgam (syn: M. germanica var. alopecuroideson on  Efloraofindia, I am also attaching pictures) is correctly identified?

3. If so, what is my Myricaria elegans from Pahalgam, depicted on efloraofindia, (I am attaching pictures) and what is M. germanica on Flowers of India.?

Here is link to Royle's original illustration of Myricaria bracteata (right image)

http://www.plantillustrations.org/ILLUSTRATIONS_thumbnails_small/61094.jpg

http://www.plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=61094&SID=r2erchg3d0s30823um6jlbqdur&mobile=0&size=0&uhd=0

I am also attaching illustration from Flora of India page 14

In addition to this I find image in Flowers of India by Prashant ji under Tamarix ramosissima but in efloraofindia under Myricaria germanica (now tentatively shifted to M. squamosa).

If my images from Pahalgam really belong to M. bracteata, what should be status of images under M. germanica in Flowers of India.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

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From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 9:56 AM
Subject: Myricaria in Kashmir
To: Anzar Khuroo <anz...@gmail.com>

Dear Anzar

I seek your help in clearing my doubts:

1. Is Myricaria elegans (now correctlly Myrtama elegans, Tamaricaria elegans) depicted on Flowers of India Correctly identified?

2. Is my Myricaria bracteata from Pahalgam (syn: M. germanica var. alopecuroideson on  Efloraofindia, I am also attaching pictures) is correctly identified?

3. If so, what is my Myricaria elegans from Pahalgam, depicted on efloraofindia, (I am attaching pictures) and what is M. germanica on Flowers of India.?

Here is link to Royle's original illustration of Myricaria bracteata (right image)

http://www.plantillustrations.org/ILLUSTRATIONS_thumbnails_small/61094.jpg

http://www.plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=61094&SID=r2erchg3d0s30823um6jlbqdur&mobile=0&size=0&uhd=0

I am also attaching illustration from Flora of India page 14

Waiting for your confirmation.

 

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Tabish <tab...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov, 2020, 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: Myricaria in Kashmir
To: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Cc: jmgarg1 <jmg...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Dear Gurcharan ji,

  Thanks for bringing this up - always nice to recheck identifications. Your "Myricaria elegans" from Pahalgam should be something else, and not Myricaria elegans, in my opinion. In Myricaria elegans flowers petals are 5-6 mm long, whereas sepals are very small in comparison, only 1-2 mm long. In the flowers in your pictures, the sepals look almost comparable to the petals in length. I am attaching a closeup of the flowers of the plant which is on FOI as Myricaria elegans.

 Also attaching closeup of flowers of  Myricaria bracteata on FOI. Notice the sepals - seems to agree well with the drawing you attached.  Would have liked to compare the stamens, but the flowers are not fully open.

   Can't comment on other things as yet.

   Tabish

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear all,

Enclosing images of 2 sp from Flora of Ladakh for ref:

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Singh ji,

After going through all the discussions and attachments here as well as from eFloras, I feel your plant from 'Myricaria elegans from Pahalgam' may be Myricaria bracteata only. Flora of China says 'Sepals lanceolate, oblong, or narrowly elliptic, ca. 4 × 1-2 mm, margin broadly membranous, apex obtuse or acute, often incurved'. On close scrutiny of your sepals, these may be something like 4 mm by 1 mm. You may check these again with original enlarged images.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks a lot Tabish ji and Garg ji for your valuable comments. 

Hope things are resolved soon.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Singh ji,

Your plant from 'Myricaria elegans from Pahalgam' is confirmed as Myricaria bracteata by Miroslav ji in another thread: Myricaria elegans Royle var. elegans from Kashmir

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Garg ji

That is the real confusion. If this is M. bracteata (syn: M. germanica var. alopecuroides), then what is the plant which I have now uploaded as M. bracteata and original image of Royle and one which I have shared from BSI Flora of India. 

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Singh ji,

They are all the same, as per my thinking.

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[J.M. Garg]

I have stated that much before Miroslav ji's reply.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks a lot Garg ji

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/