Tree flowers for ID (130709 NSJ)

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narendra joshi

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Jul 13, 2009, 4:47:38 AM7/13/09
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Dear all,

A part of flowering tree from Darjiling is shown. ID requested.

Thanks,

Narendra Joshi

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Shireesh Dharap

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Jul 22, 2009, 7:28:08 AM7/22/09
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This is probably Elaeodendron glaucum , celastraceae
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 4, 2009, 6:13:34 AM10/4/09
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl.

Earlier relevant feedback:

"This is probably Elaeodendron glaucum, celastraceae" from Shriseesh ji.
 
I found Elaeodendron glaucum to be a syn. of Cassine glauca recently discussed in the thread:
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Tabish

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Oct 4, 2009, 6:58:42 AM10/4/09
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This should be Large Leaf Dogwood (Cornus macrophylla)
http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Large%20Leaf%20Dogwood.html
- Tabish

On Oct 4, 3:13 pm, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl.
>
> Earlier relevant feedback:
> "This is probably *Elaeodendron* *glaucum*, celastraceae" from Shriseesh ji.
>
> I found *Elaeodendron glaucum* to be a syn. of *Cassine glauca* recently
> discussed in the thread:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/4...
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> From: narendra joshi <narend...@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2009/7/13
> Subject: [indiantreepix:14530] Tree flowers for ID (130709 NSJ)
> To: Indiantrees <indian...@googlegroups.com>
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>   Dear all,
>
> A part of flowering tree from Darjiling is shown. ID requested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Narendra Joshi
>
> --
> With regards,
> J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
> Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc.
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> For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en
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>  ID 1.jpg
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 5, 2009, 8:45:34 AM10/5/09
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A reply from Shireesh ji:
"Garg ji,
Indeed the new name is Cassine glauca ; previously known as Elaeodendron glaucum.
Attaching one of my pics ."

2009/10/4 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Elaeodendron-glaucum.jpg

Robert Archer

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Oct 6, 2009, 2:45:29 AM10/6/09
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Dear Shireesh ji

Thank you very much for the picture. Can you please tell me where it is from?

I am not sure it is Cassine glauca. According to Kostermans, who wrote the partial revision of the genus, this plant is Cassine albens, with red fruit. The "real" Cassine glauca, occurs only in Sri Lanka and has white fruit. But his description of the flower, green flowers with white tips does conform to the flower in your picture. I need some help to understand what is going on here! Did Kostermans confused the species?

Secondly, the names Elaeodendron and Cassine have been confused for centuries. However, my own research and DNA analysis proved that this plant is Elaeodendron. The genus Cassine with only 3 species, occur in South Africa and looks very different, both in flowers and fruit from Elaeodendron.

I hope it is ok to send the reply by email. I have no internet at the moment.

With best wishes

Robert

>>> "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com> 2009/10/05 02:45 PM >>>
A reply from Shireesh ji:
"Garg ji,
Indeed the new name is Cassine glauca ; previously known as Elaeodendron
glaucum.
Attaching one of my pics ."

2009/10/4 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl.
>
> Earlier relevant feedback:
> "This is probably *Elaeodendron* *glaucum*, celastraceae" from Shriseesh
> ji.
>
> I found *Elaeodendron glaucum* to be a syn. of *Cassine glauca* recently
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 8, 2009, 12:35:42 AM10/8/09
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Further discussion in the matter alongwith a new attachment:
"Dear Robert , Garg ji ,
     The photo is from Wai, which near Mahabaleshwar in the central Western Ghat hills of Maharashtra state.
     I named it after identification from the 'Flora of Maharashtra state' brought out by the botanical survey of India ; where they mention the authority as :
   Cassine glauca (Rottb.)O.Ktze.Rev.Gen.Pl.1:114.1891; Ding Hou in Steenis; Flora Males. 1,6:286.1962.
   Elaeodendron glaucum (Rottb.) Pers.Syn. Pl1:241. 1805.
    I have no idea as to how to separate Cassine from Elaeodendron ; being an amateur myself .
 I leave the further search for the correct botanical name to you.
                                        Regards,
                                                                    Shireesh."
 
"Dear Shireesh ji
Thank you very much for your valuable reply. I assume at this stage that this plant would be correctly called Elaeodendron glaucum (Rottb.) Pers. I am however, curious to know wether there are possibly two species involved, one with white and the other with red fruit. Or was that something that came out of old botanical literature? Is it possible to send me more pictures of the leaves and fruit? I would be very grateful.
With best wishes, Robert"
 
"Attaching another photo : but I think these are buds, not fruit : I don't remember; I shot it a long time ago!
The leaves are ovate with serrate margins."
 
"Dear Shireesh ji
Thank you very much. It shows very nicely the conspicuous very slender inflorescence (for Elaeodendron) and buds.
With best wishes, Robert"
 


 
2009/10/6 Robert Archer <Arc...@sanbi.org>
Elaeodendron_glaucum_buds.jpg

Neil Soares

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Oct 8, 2009, 12:54:31 AM10/8/09
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Hi Mr. Garg,
  Sending a few recent photographs of Cassine glauca with flower buds.
                             Regards,
                               Neil.

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Cassine glauca, Bhutuxia.jpg
Cassine glauca, Bhutuxia with flower buds 1.jpg
Cassine glauca, Bhutuxia with flower buds 2.jpg

J.M. Garg

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Oct 8, 2009, 1:00:34 AM10/8/09
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Thanks, Neil ji.
I think as per Dr. Archer's views earlier on Shreesh ji's picture, it should be Elaeodendron glaucum (Rottb.) Pers.
Pl. correct me if I am inferring wrongly.
2009/10/8 Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com>

Dr Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 8, 2009, 1:13:51 AM10/8/09
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Garg ji
As per GRIN Taxonomy website Elaeodendron glaucum (Rottb.) Pers. is the correct name and Cassine glauca (Rottb.) O.Ktze. as a synonym. It is good to follow local Flora, but as every Flora book sooner or later will become older, we keep the strategy of following KEW World Checklist (for families covered), GRIN Taxonomy and Sorting Plant Names, where ever available in that sequence. They keep on updating nomenclature. Only where recent nomenclature is not available for any species, we will follow the most recent local Flora, that covers this species.
  
 
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