[efloraofindia:35670] NATIVE :: Arecaceae (palm family) » Caryota urens

[Dinesh Valke]

Arecaceae (palm family) » Caryota urens


kair-ee-OH-tuh or kar-RY-oh-tuh -- from the Greek karyon (nut)
UR-ens -- burning or stinging

commonly known as: bastard sago tree, fishtail palm, jaggery palm, toddy palm, wine palm • Hindi: बन खजूर ban-khajur, माड़ी mari • Kannada: ಬಯ್ನೆ bayne • Konkani: बिरलोमाड birlomaad • Malayalam: ചൂണ്ടപ്പന cuuntappana • Marathi: भेरली माड bherli-maad, सुरमाड sur-maad • Sanskrit: श्रीताल sritalah • Tamil: கூந்தற்பனை kuntaypanai, திப்பிலிப்பனை tippili-p-panai • Telugu: జిలుగు jeelugu

Native to: India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Malaysia; widely cultivated


References:
 • Flowers of India ... http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Toddy%20Palm.html
 • NPGS / GRIN ... http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?9290
 • Top Tropicals ... http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/caryota_urens.htm
 • Dave's Garden ... http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/56543/index.html
 • DDSA ... http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/


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Views attached from:
... Vaghbil, Thane
... Veermata Jijabai Bhosale Udyan


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[Yazdy Palia]

Hello Friends,
The ripe fruit of this palm causes some kind of temporary allergy.
Especially if after touching it, you get wet. Had a bad experience
when I was in my twenties.
Regards
Yazdy.

[Satish Chile]

Caryota urens in Bastar of Chhattisgarh state is known as Sulfy tree. A drink is extracted from the living plant which is called sulfy. This drink is also called Bastar Beer by the educated people.

Satish

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Yazdy Palia <yazdy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Friends,
The ripe fruit of this palm causes some kind of temporary allergy.
Especially if after touching it, you get wet. Had a bad experience
when I was in my twenties.
Regards
Yazdy.

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Arecaceae (palm family) » Caryota urens
>
>
> kair-ee-OH-tuh or kar-RY-oh-tuh -- from the Greek karyon (nut)
> UR-ens -- burning or stinging
>
> commonly known as: bastard sago tree, fishtail palm, jaggery palm, toddy

> palm, wine palm • Hindi: बन खजूर ban-khajur, माड़ी mari • Kannada: ಬಯ್ನೆ

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[tanay bose]

Dear all,

I am attaching link for the medicinal as well as the allergy related matter as said my Yazdy Ji

 

1. Medicinal Use http://www.divinewellness.com/ayurveda-Article/251/caryota-urens.htm

2. Allergy http://bodd.cf.ac.uk/BotDermFolder/PALM.html (PLEASE SCROLL DOWN TO GET THE NAME FROM THE LIST)

 

Regards

tanay

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[Balkar Arya]

Nice set of Photos Dinesh Ji

Regards


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[Pankaj Oudhia]

Some images of Bastar Beer

http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=pdb&PdbID=42805

http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=pdb&PdbID=42811

http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=pdb&PdbID=42813

http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=pdb&PdbID=42812

Thanks Satish ji.


regards

Pankaj Oudhia

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Satish Chile <chile...@gmail.com> wrote:

[tanay bose]

Nice set of photos pankaj Ji

Thanks for the links

Tanay

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[Prashant awale]

Good set of photos Dinesh.
cheers
Prashant

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Anand Kumar Bhatt]

I spent very pleasant couple of years at Bastar. It is said that the tribal who has one or more plants of Salfi is rich and will not have any difficulty in getting a bride. The neera is both nutritious and intoxicating in the evening after it is fermented during the day. Once I drank a glass of salfi everyday for a week or so hearing of its beneficial qualities. . There was some allergic reaction it seems and I had acute pain in my calf muscles and knees. At first I did not care but when it recurred the second time, I gave up drinking salfi. It is a beautiful plant in the early years, though not so good to look at when it grows old.
ak

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[tanay bose]

Thanks for sharing the personal experience regarding the allergetic reaction this plant induces in human.

Tanay

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[Pankaj Oudhia]

Once when I consumed it Anand ji, it was adulterated one. May be urea was present to increase the rate of fermentation. It resulted in over 12 loose motions. I called to Maharani Hospital, Jagdalpur. They simply said that once Sulfi is out of body the problem will be solved. After sometime the problem solved without any medicine.

When I discussed it with the Traditional Healers they simply laughed and said that one must know the "Art of Taking such drinks". 

Sulfi is part of Traditional Healing and as medicine it is given to patients suffering from different diseases. For patients allergic to this drink the Healers have long list of herbs and herbal formulations to nullify its allergic effects.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia

http://www.pankajoudhia.com

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Anand Kumar Bhatt <anand...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Satish Chile]

Thanks to all Pankaj ji, Tanay ji, Prashant ji and Anand ji for sharing good links and information about C.urens.

Satish

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <pankaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Once when I consumed it Anand ji, it was adulterated one. May be urea was present to increase the rate of fermentation. It resulted in over 12 loose motions. I called to Maharani Hospital, Jagdalpur. They simply said that once Sulfi is out of body the problem will be solved. After sometime the problem solved without any medicine.

When I discussed it with the Traditional Healers they simply laughed and said that one must know the "Art of Taking such drinks". 

Sulfi is part of Traditional Healing and as medicine it is given to patients suffering from different diseases. For patients allergic to this drink the Healers have long list of herbs and herbal formulations to nullify its allergic effects.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia

http://www.pankajoudhia.com

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Anand Kumar Bhatt <anand...@gmail.com> wrote:

I spent very pleasant couple of years at Bastar. It is said that the tribal who has one or more plants of Salfi is rich and will not have any difficulty in getting a bride. The neera is both nutritious and intoxicating in the evening after it is fermented during the day. Once I drank a glass of salfi everyday for a week or so hearing of its beneficial qualities. . There was some allergic reaction it seems and I had acute pain in my calf muscles and knees. At first I did not care but when it recurred the second time, I gave up drinking salfi. It is a beautiful plant in the early years, though not so good to look at when it grows old.
ak

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good set of photos Dinesh.
cheers
Prashant

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Arecaceae (palm family) » Caryota urens


kair-ee-OH-tuh or kar-RY-oh-tuh -- from the Greek karyon (nut)
UR-ens -- burning or stinging

commonly known as: bastard sago tree, fishtail palm, jaggery palm, toddy palm, wine palm • Hindi: बन खजूर ban-khajur, माड़ी mari • Kannada: ಬಯ್ನೆ bayne • Konkani: बिरलोमाड birlomaad • Malayalam: ചൂണ്ടപ്പന cuuntappana • Marathi: भेरली माड bherli-maad, सुरमाड sur-maad • Sanskrit: श्रीताल sritalah • Tamil: கூந்தற்பனை kuntaypanai, திப்பிலிப்பனை tippili-p-panai • Telugu: జిలుగు jeelugu

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[tanay bose]

Thanks for sharing another set of personal experience Pankaj ji, this link is really getting interesting .
Tanay

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[Madhuri Pejaver]

About Sulfi a lot of information is exchanged . but what i read in the name list was  one name as jaggary palm. I sthis the palm from which we get jaggary, which is famous from Bengal

 Nothing is talked about it. or is it a  different palm?

Madhuri

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Sent: Sun, 23 May, 2010 7:28:21 PM
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[tanay bose]

Dear Madhuri ji,
In our Bengal we make Jaggery (Gur) from Phoenix sylvestris we also drink the fresh juice of its some people also take the fermented juice known as "Tari"
Regards
Tanay

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[Pankaj Oudhia]

Yes Tanay is right.

Many years back a patient having allergy contacted me. She was much frustrated as after much investment in hospitals,  the cause was still unknown. I decided to go for detailed discussion. When our discussion reached to Bengali Sweets, she informed that the taste of Gur used in the sweets is like the taste of heaven. She was taking the sweets every day without any break. I suggested her to stop its use up to one week.

Later I was informed that she was having allergy to Phoenix Gur and after stopping its consumption she was alright. It was very specific case. I am fond of Bengali Sweets and millions are also, but I never seen another patient like this.

Gur is prepared from Caryota also.

In Bastar, Caryota is in danger. Trees are dying due to unknown problem. Entomologists are claiming that it is due to insects, soil scientists are claiming that it is due to soil factor. Everyone is having own opinion. Thousands have been invested in the name of research with no result. Many years back I raised this issue through my articles.I tried to put the views and comments of Traditional Healers on this specific problem.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia

http://www.pankajoudhia.com
  

[Dinesh Valke]

Madhuri ji's interesting query lead me to surf with Palm Jaggery ...
1) reminds of the famous bollywood movie "Saudagar" ... never knew we get jaggery from palm (and that too more priced than that from sugarcane)
 ... http://environmenteducation-india.blogspot.com/2009/10/learn-all-about-date-palm-jaggery-with.html
2) The sago palm and coconut palm are also now tapped for producing jaggery in South India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka.
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaggery
3) best of reading on jaggery
 ... http://www.organicfacts.net/nutrition-facts/others/what-is-jaggery.html


Regards.

[tanay bose]

Great Set Of information from Pankaj ji and Dinesh ji,
I will kindly request Pankaj Ji that if he can upload photos of the diseased tree then we can all see it , and will also help us to get hold of the symptoms ans if possible remedy

Tanay

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Olatty - in Malayalam.

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[Pankaj Oudhia]

The images are not in my database. I will try to take it during next visit in July.

In fact, I am searching link having pictures as well as news item on this specific problem in Google news but not getting it.

ICAR researchers are working on this specific problem.

Here is related article I have written many years back.

Bastar: The Heaven in Danger (New Comments)

http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=earticleView&earticleId=1601&page=-2


regards

Pankaj Oudhia

[Pankaj Oudhia]

Thanks for name in Malayalam. In Orissa it is known as Salap.

Few years back I was in Niyamgiri hill region of Orissa where Bauxite mining is proposed. Action Aid assigned me to visit the region for photography as well as Biodiversity study. Salap trees are present in large number in this biodiversity rich zone. Niyamgiri is rich in wild elephant population. I was informed that elephants like this species much. The natives suggested many species best for plantation in forest in order to keep wild elephants at bay. Salap is one of these species. I quoted it in my articles with reference to natives but as you know planners never give ear to native's suggestions. Today I was reading in local news papers that the authorities are constructing 16 feet towers to accomodate tens of families in time of attack by wild elephants. Unfortunately there is no ground level plan to plant Salap like trees.

VijayaDas ji, I am eager to know the medicinal uses of this tree in Kerala. In Chhattisgarh, its all parts are used in Traditional Healing even in complex schedules like this

http://www.pankajoudhia.com/nwork/set400.pdf

http://pankajoudhia.com/newwork.html


I am sorry if group members are getting bore from my monologue on Caryota.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia

http://www.pankajoudhia.com 

[Dinesh Valke]

... your experience is interesting and useful for at least some, the purpose is met !! ... thank you very much, Pankaj ji.
Regards.

[tanay bose]

Thanks for sharing your personal experience with us. I will wait for your photos regarding the disease Pankaj Ji
Tanay

[Madhuri Pejaver]

Hey Dineshji

too good an information and very good links. Thank you to all Gurucharanji, tanay,Panj ji and you for taking so great interest in my quarry .

I am really proud to be the member of this group. Every one is so enthusiastic in helping others that the information just flows to you. An dnoboy has any show off of having great knowledge.

Actually with all the other works it becomes very difficult for me to remember all the generic and sps names.  I am not a hard core Botanist that too Taxanomist. Actually this branch of study i was not vey fond off, thats why i did not take Botany as my major subject.

What i enjoy are the beautiful photographs, the enthusiasum to identify the plant, to share al knowledge with others and the information you get. Especilly recently the names in all languages, origin of the name , medicinal uses, other uses , locations all are getting added and that is making the site more intersting.

I admire all of you.

But now the funny part is though Jagary is mainly done from date palm it does not carry the name as jaggary palm in the list send. while carriota had that name for which i had inquired.

madhuri  

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Sent: Mon, 24 May, 2010 7:17:38 PM
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[tanay bose]

Dear Madhuri Ji,
I was a splendid opportunity for the members of Eflora to learn that you are enjoying the interaction out here to its brim. Some threads out here turn out to be so interesting that it has a charm no less that a mystery story. A good example is this this thread where not only taxonomic information are being circulated among the members but personal experiences which are not available on any internet portals or websites. Hence over all we can say that Eflora is a place where we have a space to enrich our knowledge about plants if we are really craving for it.
Regards
Tanay

[Rashida Atthar]

Fro those interested in trying out the Palm Jaggery, One Palm Jaggery very dark brown almost black in colour  is sometimes  available in a store opposite Churchgate station.

regards,
Rashida.

[formp...@yahoo.com]

Good info too! Will rember.
What I had eaten was light coloured, with layers placed one above the other. Very tasty and sweet ofcourse.
Madhuri

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:45:14 +0530

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