SK 3038 12 October 2021

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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 12, 2021, 9:29:14 AM10/12/21
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Dear Members,

Location: Jumla, Nepal
Altitude:  2561m.
Date: 18 August 2021 
Habit : Wild 
Galium asperifolium var. asperifolium Wall. ??

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Oct 12, 2021, 9:30:28 AM10/12/21
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Oct 12, 2021, 9:30:52 AM10/12/21
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 18, 2021, 10:57:26 AM10/18/21
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Yes, as per images at Galium asperifolium Wall.
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J.M. Garg

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Oct 24, 2021, 11:03:26 AM10/24/21
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When we say Galium asperifolium Wall., it means Galium asperifolium var. asperifolium Wall. only.
One and the same thing. 
Synonyms shown under any of them, are synonyms for both. 
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J.M. Garg

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Dec 13, 2021, 4:29:30 AM12/13/21
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Looks different from Galium asperifolium Wall., as per images and details herein. 
I checked keys in Flora of Bhutan at Galium, but could not find a satisfactory match.
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Dec 13, 2021, 4:30:18 AM12/13/21
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Looks different from Galium asperifolium Wall., as per images and details herein. 
I checked keys in Flora of Bhutan at Galium, but could not find a satisfactory match.


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Saroj Kasaju

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Dec 13, 2021, 5:12:34 AM12/13/21
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Galium pusillosetosum H.Hara ??
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Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Dec 19, 2021, 11:31:33 AM12/19/21
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Is it listed in the book ?
Yes, possible as per only GBIF specimen
Checklist of Nepal gives elevation as 3400-4100 m, while Flora of China gives it as 2100-3900 m.
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Dec 20, 2021, 3:38:58 AM12/20/21
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Not in the book but many additional sp. found which are not listed in the book.
Elevation according to FoH is matching.
Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Dec 27, 2021, 4:47:07 AM12/27/21
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I think it does not match with the description in Flora of Bhutan as below:
5. G. pusillosetosum Hara
Slender perennial. Stems (5-)12-40cm, 1 caespitose, ascending from often procumbent base, 4-angled with narrow hyaline or whitish wings, glabrous or with scattered spreading non-hooked setiform hairs. Leaves in whorls of (4- )6, sessile or subsessile, membranous, thin, oblanceolate, 3.5-16 >< 0.8-4.2mm, cuspidate or mucronate (cusp/mucro 0.2-0.4mm, sometimes breaking off and leaf appearing obtuse), base attenuate; midvein with long, curved, spreading or 1 erect setiform hairs on both surfaces, lamina (incl. margin) otherwise glabrous; venation penninerved. Flowers in few-flowered terminal cymes on short opposite axillary branches (mostly equal, but lowest pair of branches often unequal); pedicels divaricate, 1-4mm, glabrous. Corolla reddish or purplish (rarely cream with red base), 2-2.5mm diam.; lobes ovate, shortly acuminate, scabrid apically within. Ovary with numerous dense, straight, subappressed, whitish non-hooked hairs. Mericarps subglobose, c 2mm diam., with patent rigid setae 0.5-0.7mm, shortly hooked at apex.
Bhutan: C - Thimphu district (Dotena). Rhododendron aeruginosum scrub, 2750 — 3660m. Late June—late July.
Otherwise known only from C Nepal.
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Saroj Kasaju

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Jan 3, 2022, 10:56:37 AMJan 3
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Galium rebae R.R.Mill ???
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Saroj Kasaju

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J.M. Garg

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Jan 8, 2022, 1:49:07 AMJan 8
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Looks different as per description and as per only GBIF specimen
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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 27, 2022, 3:08:32 AMJul 27
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Any further opinion from members?

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Gurcharan Singh

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Jul 28, 2022, 3:04:57 AMJul 28
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Please read below comment of mine on this post by Dinesh ji
VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 - 1257 :: small herb with tiny pink flower at Valley of Flowers (google.com)

  Dinesh ji perhaps your another visit may not be necessary if you go through the interesting discussion in Flora of China



G. hirtifolium is out of question as 6 leaves can easily be counted. It seems G. asperifolium is a very polymorphic species, the white to yellowish flowered populations are all considered as part of this species, whereas red flowered (and larger flower, which struck me from day one) specimens are now treated as a distinct species Galium blinii. Important to note that these red flowered specimens (according to Flora of China) have often been treated as synonym of G. asperifolium var. sikkimense which typically has yellowish-greenish flowers.
     Interesting to note that another red-flowered species  G. craticulatum  as endemic to Bhutan. with totally glabrous stem and sparsely retrorsely scabrid leaves. In one or two leaves in second photograph I can see consipicous retrorsely scabrid leaf margin. Perhaps you can Please find out and enlarge a clear view of stem to see if stem is glabrous or scabrid to confirm it further.


J.M. Garg

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Jul 31, 2022, 12:21:46 PMJul 31
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Yes, as per images at Galium asperifolium Wall.- from me 

Looks different from Galium asperifolium Wall., as per images and details herein. 

I checked keys in Flora of Bhutan at Galium, but could not find a satisfactory match.- from me 

Galium pusillosetosum H.Hara ??
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju 

Is it listed in the book ?
Yes, possible as per only GBIF specimen

Checklist of Nepal gives elevation as 3400-4100 m, while Flora of China gives it as 2100-3900 m.- from me 

Not in the book but many additional sp. found which are not listed in the book.
Elevation according to FoH is matching.
Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju 

I think it does not match with the description in Flora of Bhutan as below:
5. G. pusillosetosum Hara
Slender perennial. Stems (5-)12-40cm, 1 caespitose, ascending from often procumbent base, 4-angled with narrow hyaline or whitish wings, glabrous or with scattered spreading non-hooked setiform hairs. Leaves in whorls of (4- )6, sessile or subsessile, membranous, thin, oblanceolate, 3.5-16 >< 0.8-4.2mm, cuspidate or mucronate (cusp/mucro 0.2-0.4mm, sometimes breaking off and leaf appearing obtuse), base attenuate; midvein with long, curved, spreading or 1 erect setiform hairs on both surfaces, lamina (incl. margin) otherwise glabrous; venation penninerved. Flowers in few-flowered terminal cymes on short opposite axillary branches (mostly equal, but lowest pair of branches often unequal); pedicels divaricate, 1-4mm, glabrous. Corolla reddish or purplish (rarely cream with red base), 2-2.5mm diam.; lobes ovate, shortly acuminate, scabrid apically within. Ovary with numerous dense, straight, subappressed, whitish non-hooked hairs. Mericarps subglobose, c 2mm diam., with patent rigid setae 0.5-0.7mm, shortly hooked at apex.
Bhutan: C - Thimphu district (Dotena). Rhododendron aeruginosum scrub, 2750 — 3660m. Late June—late July.

Otherwise known only from C Nepal.- from me 

Galium rebae R.R.Mill ???
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju 

Looks different as per description and as per only GBIF specimen. - from me 

Please read below comment of mine on this post by Dinesh ji
VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 - 1257 :: small herb with tiny pink flower at Valley of Flowers (google.com)
  Dinesh ji perhaps your another visit may not be necessary if you go through the interesting discussion in Flora of China
G. hirtifolium is out of question as 6 leaves can easily be counted. It seems G. asperifolium is a very polymorphic species, the white to yellowish flowered populations are all considered as part of this species, whereas red flowered (and larger flower, which struck me from day one) specimens are now treated as a distinct species Galium blinii. Important to note that these red flowered specimens (according to Flora of China) have often been treated as synonym of G. asperifolium var. sikkimense which typically has yellowish-greenish flowers.

     Interesting to note that another red-flowered species  G. craticulatum  as endemic to Bhutan. with totally glabrous stem and sparsely retrorsely scabrid leaves. In one or two leaves in second photograph I can see consipicous retrorsely scabrid leaf margin. Perhaps you can Please find out and enlarge a clear view of stem to see if stem is glabrous or scabrid to confirm it further. - from Gurcharan Singh ji


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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 22, 2022, 12:52:07 PMOct 22
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Enclosing the latest listing of Galium sp. for Nepal. According to this, 
Galium rebae R.R.Mill has got distribution for Nepal.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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