Names of Plants in India :: Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk. ... synonym of Ceropegia lawii Hook.f.

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Dinesh Valke

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Aug 17, 2011, 2:59:38 PM8/17/11
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Ceropegia lawii

botanical names: Ceropegia lawii Hook.f. ... synonyms: Ceropegia maccannii Ansari • Ceropegia panchganiensis Blatt. & McCann • Ceropegia rollae Hemadri • Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk. 





Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk. ... synonym of Ceropegia lawii Hook.f. 

Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk. 

Flowers of IndiaDiscussions at efloraofindiamore views in flickrmore views on Google Earth


seer-oh-PEEJ-ee-uh -- from the Greek keros (wax) and pege (fountain)
¿ suh-YAD-rih-ka ? -- of or from Sahyadri, Western Ghats of Maharashtra, India 


commonly known as: Sahyadri ceropegia  Marathi: पांढरी खरचुडी pandhari kharchudi 


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Photographed at Tung fort, 3060 ft asl, 31 JUL 11


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Dinesh

Madhuri Pejaver

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Aug 17, 2011, 3:18:46 PM8/17/11
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Great! Great! Great!
what a perfect window as if window of some fort from Rajasthan. You can pip in and see the further beauty.
Thanks
Madhuri

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Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Aug 17, 2011, 3:42:38 PM8/17/11
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Respected Sir,
I am a bit confused how come both of your names are synonyms of
Ceropegia lawii.

Ceropegia lawii
Ceropegia sahyadrica
Ceropegia rollae
are for sure three distinct species!!

I will request Sid to share his article:

Siddharthan Surveswaran; Mayur Y. Kamble; Shrirang R. Yadav; Mei Sun:
Molecular phylogeny of Ceropegia (Asclepiadoideae, Apocynaceae) from
Indian Western Ghats. Plant Systematics and Evolution 281:1-4, 51-63
(2009)

http://www.springerlink.com/content/x03004572m382267/

Its not for free online!!
Pankaj



On Aug 17, 11:59 pm, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> *Ceropegia lawii*
> *botanical names*: *Ceropegia lawii* Hook.f. ... *synonyms*: *Ceropegia
> maccannii* Ansari • *Ceropegia panchganiensis* Blatt. & McCann • *Ceropegia
> rollae* Hemadri • *Ceropegia sahyadrica* Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *Ceropegia sahyadrica* Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk. ... synonym of *Ceropegia lawii*
>  Hook.f.
>
> [image: Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari &
> B.G.P.Kulk.]<http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5997754377/>
>
> [image: Flowers of
> India]<http://www.flowersofindia.in/catalog/slides/Sahyadri%20Ceropegia.html>[image:
> Discussions at efloraofindia]<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#%21searchin/indiantreepix/Cero...>[image:
> more views in flickr]<http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Ceropegiasahyadrica&m=tags&z=m>[image:
> more views on Google
> Earth]<http://api.flickr.com/services/feeds/geo/india/&tags=Ceropegiasahyadr...>
>
> *seer-oh-PEEJ-ee-uh* -- from the Greek *keros* (wax) and *pege* (fountain)
> ¿ *suh-YAD-rih-ka* ? -- of or from Sahyadri, Western Ghats of Maharashtra,
> India
>
> *commonly known as*: Sahyadri
> ceropegia<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/english/s...>
>  • *Marathi*: पांढरी खरचुडी pandhari
> kharchudi<https://sites.google.com/site/indiannamesofplants/via-names/marathi/p...>

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 17, 2011, 11:22:13 PM8/17/11
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You are correct dear Pankaj.
Somewhere my understanding of the article went wrong.

Will correct my notes and will put the corrected matter here AND in the previous post of Ceropegia sahyadrica.
Ceropegia maccannii Ansari, Ceropegia panchganiensis Blatt. & McCann, Ceropegia rollae Hemadri, Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk are NOT synonyms of Ceropegia lawii Hook.f.

Regards.
Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 18, 2011, 12:40:54 AM8/18/11
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... next post in this thread contains corrected notes.

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 18, 2011, 12:41:56 AM8/18/11
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Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk.

Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk. 

Flowers of IndiaDiscussions at efloraofindiamore views in flickrmore views on Google Earth


seer-oh-PEEJ-ee-uh -- from the Greek keros (wax) and pege (fountain)
¿ suh-YAD-rih-ka ? -- of or from Sahyadri, Western Ghats of Maharashtra, India 


commonly known as: Sahyadri ceropegia  Marathi: पांढरी खरचुडी pandhari kharchudi 


botanical names: Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk. ... synonyms: no synonyms 

Pankaj Kumar

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Aug 18, 2011, 12:51:47 AM8/18/11
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Thank you sir. Now its fine....
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Satish Phadke

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Aug 18, 2011, 9:45:40 AM8/18/11
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Great pictures. Clean specimen. Loved to watch.
Dr Satish Phadke

Sid

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Aug 19, 2011, 3:54:40 AM8/19/11
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Dinesh ji,

Here's the link to download my paper as Pankaj as requested.


Your specimen looks like C. lawii to me. Yes, there is no clear definition of group here. Already, C. lawii is controversial I guess. But your specimen looks more like C. lawii which I used in our study. 

Anyway great picture and great post.

Sid. 

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 19, 2011, 5:28:45 AM8/19/11
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Oh ... so many thanks Sid ji for validating this ID.
To me. these two species: C. lawii and C. sahyadrica seem confusingly close to each other with respect to their appearance in general.
Is there any "easy on eye" key to differentiate these two ?

Regards.
Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 19, 2011, 5:39:47 AM8/19/11
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Sid ji ... many thanks for link to your doc. C. lawii and C. sahyadrica do look different to some (great) extent in terms of their inflorescence ... thus convinced that plant in my photo in this thread is indeed C. lawii.
Will make change in my notes shortly, and put up corrected contents in this thread,
Regards, many thanks once again.
Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 19, 2011, 9:13:57 AM8/19/11
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... this thread has become informative and ironically messy ... please bear with my learning of Ceropegia.
Putting the corrected contents in the following post.
Regards.
Dinesh.

Dinesh Valke

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Aug 19, 2011, 9:14:28 AM8/19/11
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Ceropegia lawii

Ceropegia lawii Hook. f. 


Flowers of IndiaDiscussions at efloraofindiamore views in flickrmore views on Google Earth


seer-oh-PEEJ-ee-uh -- from the Greek keros (wax) and pege (fountain)
LAW-ee-eye -- named in honour of J. S. Law, ICS and botanist 


commonly known as: Law's ceropegia  Marathi: खरपुडी kharpudi, लॉई खरपुडी lawi kharpudi, पिवळी खरचुडी pivali kharchudi 


botanical names: Ceropegia lawii Hook.f. ... synonyms: no synonyms 

Rajesh Sachdev

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Aug 19, 2011, 9:33:27 AM8/19/11
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Dinesh, in quest of this ceropegia species, where you got it....i mean location, if u can share pls!
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Rajesh Sachdev


Dinesh Valke

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Aug 19, 2011, 9:52:29 AM8/19/11
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Dear Rajesh ... the basic details are put in the first post of this thread ... it is: "Photographed at Tung fort, 3060 ft asl, 31 JUL 11".
Yet, for more information, a click on the photo takes you to the photopage at my flickr ... geo-coordinates can be got from the map in the right column.

Regards.
Dinesh.

H S

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Aug 25, 2011, 5:25:24 AM8/25/11
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the photo is confusing, C. lawii has pure white flower, whereas ur photo doesnt, i dont think its, C. lawii, it may be C. sahyadrica but need more photos to confirm..



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J.M. Garg

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Nov 18, 2011, 7:17:55 AM11/18/11
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Hi, Pankaj ji, Dinesh ji & Sid ji,
Is the classification at the following The Plant List link incorrect ?;
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May 11, 2016, 5:47:43 AM5/11/16
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Looks like Ceropegia sahyadrica as per thread by Sushant ji.
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Dinesh Valke

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May 11, 2016, 9:14:44 AM5/11/16
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Thanks Garg ji.
Will correct in my flickr notes soon.
Regards.
Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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May 11, 2016, 10:38:49 AM5/11/16
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Thanks very much Sushant for these comparative pics !
Regards.
Dinesh

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Sushant More <sushan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, adding some ceropegia lawii snaps for more understanding 

you can see much variation in ceropegia lawii here, it is restricted to Thane,Ahmadnagar  and Nashik Districts that too higher peaks.

Also adding one plate so we can easily see the difference 

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:77415] Names of Plants in India :: Ceropegia sahyadrica Ansari & B.G.P.Kulk. ... synonym of Ceropegia lawii Hook.f.
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Yes, adding some ceropegia lawii snaps for more understanding 

you can see much variation in ceropegia lawii here, it is restricted to Thane,Ahmadnagar  and Nashik Districts that too higher peaks.

Also adding one plate so we can easily see the difference 
On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:



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ceropegia lawii anjaneri nashik.jpg
ceropegia lawii maroon colour variation anjaneri nashik.jpg
ceropegia lawii harishchandra gad.JPG
ceropegia lawii harishchandragad close up.JPG
ceropegia lawii anjaneri nashik pale morph.JPG
LS of ceropegia lawii from harishchandra gad.JPG

J.M. Garg

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Yes, adding some ceropegia lawii snaps for more understanding 

you can see much variation in ceropegia lawii here, it is restricted to Thane,Ahmadnagar  and Nashik Districts that too higher peaks.

Also adding one plate so we can easily see the difference 
On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:



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ceropegia lawii from murbad.JPG
ceropegia lawii from cavnai fort nashik.jpg
Ceropegia lawii from tryambakeshwer - Copy.jpg
ceropegia lawii flowers and leaves siddhgad fort murbad.JPG
ceropegia lawii habit Bhandardara.jpg
Ceropegia lawii habit jivdhan fort Malsahej ghat.jpg
pic by navendu page ji ceropegia lawii corona.JPG
ceropegia lawii habit anjaneri nashik.jpg

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Yes, adding some ceropegia lawii snaps for more understanding 

you can see much variation in ceropegia lawii here, it is restricted to Thane,Ahmadnagar  and Nashik Districts that too higher peaks.

Also adding one plate so we can easily see the difference 
On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:



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