Crotalaria calycina Schrank
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Saroj Kasaju
Sep 14, 2021, 11:10:51 AM9/14/21
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Dear Tabish,
Crotalaria calycina Schrank in FoI looks a different sp. Please have a look .
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
J.M. Garg
Sep 19, 2021, 12:43:58 AM9/19/21
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Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 12:46:37 AM9/19/21
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Thank you Garg ji for clarifying and Saroj for pointing it out.
Tabish
Saroj Kasaju
Sep 19, 2021, 12:49:45 AM9/19/21
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Is it ok Tabish ?
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
Dinesh Valke
Sep 19, 2021, 1:03:23 AM9/19/21
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Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 1:20:36 AM9/19/21
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Dear Dinesh,
The two species seem to be very confusing. But the fruit images of your plant look different from the POWO illustration of Crotalaria calycina
Tabish
Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 1:29:48 AM9/19/21
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Dinesh images are also at
https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/crotalaria/crotalaria-epunctata
as Crotalaria epunctata
Tabish
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 10:13 AM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dinesh Valke
Sep 19, 2021, 1:42:07 AM9/19/21
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Thanks Tabish.
It looks like I missed a few posts that were discussing IDs of my Crotalaria photos. :)
I will check all related posts and revise my notes accordingly.
Thanks Garg ji, Saroj ji.
Regards.
Dinesh
Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 2:20:05 AM9/19/21
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Dear Saroj,
For me there is still no clarity on what Dinesh's plant is.
Tabish
On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 10:19 AM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
Saroj Kasaju
Sep 19, 2021, 3:16:29 AM9/19/21
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I request members to compare Crotalaria mysorensis and Crotalaria calcyna
images in Net.
Thank you.
Saroj Kasaju
J.M. Garg
Sep 19, 2021, 3:55:10 AM9/19/21
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Three four hairy species are quite confusing and we have to follow the following keys from Flora of Peninsular India as below:
36 Leaves elliptic lanceolate or oblong, more than twice as long as broad
38 Stipules prominent ovate lanceolate or lanceolate
39 Stem with spreading hairs
41 Pods slightly exserted, 15-20 seeded .... C.hirta
41 Pods much exserted , 20-35 seeds
42 Leaves villous beneath; bracts often 3 lobed; pods subsessile ..... C.mysorensis
42 Leaves appressed pubescent beneath; bracts simple; pods shortly stalked .... C.ferruginea
38 Stipules minute or 0.
43 Pods as long as or shorter than calyx
44 Calyx to 0.8 cm long; upper two lobes connate except at tip; pods globose ... C.linifolia
44 Calyx to 2.5 cm long; lobes connate at base only; pods oblong .... C. calycina
We have to re-examine all our observations, based on these keys.
In view of these keys, I think Dinesh ji's posted plant may be C.calycina
With regards,
J.M.Garg
J.M.Garg
Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 5:38:09 AM9/19/21
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The pods in Dinesh's plants are without any calyx covering:
Pods of Crotalaria caylcina are supposed to be "oblong, black when ripe, 2.5 x 0.8 cm, hairless, equal to calyx", according to An Excursion Flora of Central Tamilnadu. So, it doesn't look like it will be C. calycina.
Tabish
J.M. Garg
Sep 19, 2021, 5:43:33 AM9/19/21
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Hi, Tabish ji,
The plant in the link (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/5284992611/) is different.
Plant we are talking about is at photograph of my plant in FOI is Crotalaria calycina.
With regards,
J.M.Garg
J.M.Garg
J.M. Garg
Sep 19, 2021, 5:59:11 AM9/19/21
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Images from Amba Ghat are of Crotalaria epunctata Dalzell as per Id by ... in another thread: Fabaceae (Faboideae) Fortnight :: Crotalaria calycina :: n Western Ghats :: DVOCT31
With regards,
J.M.Garg
J.M.Garg
Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 7:24:27 AM9/19/21
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Okay, so the two are different plants. That clears some of my confusion.
Tabish
Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 7:47:04 AM9/19/21
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In Dinesh's plant at Sajjangad, the calyx looks smaller than that in some other images of Crotalaria calycina
Tabish
Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 8:07:15 AM9/19/21
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To me, Dinesh's plant as Sajjangad appears closer to Crotalaria mysorensis
Tabish
J.M. Garg
Sep 19, 2021, 8:36:45 AM9/19/21
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Not C.mysorensis as no stipules are seen.
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With regards,
J. M. Garg
With regards,
J. M. Garg
Tabish
Sep 19, 2021, 9:04:01 AM9/19/21
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I was interpreting the marked objects as stipules. Maybe not.
Tabish
J.M. Garg
Sep 19, 2021, 9:27:10 AM9/19/21
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I do not see such things in the other photograph.
May be it is a new emerging branch.
May be it is a new emerging branch.
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With regards,
J. M. Garg
With regards,
J. M. Garg
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