Cordia crenata

[dr.rakesh Singh]

Recorded in Savarkundla, Amreli in April 2023 
Identified by Botanists and Foresters of Gujarat in a whatsapp group then , I cannot name one single person .  

[dr.rakesh Singh]

[dr.rakesh Singh]

[dr.rakesh Singh]

[dr.rakesh Singh]

It gets its name from the leaf margin , crenate in distal half . Though fruits look similar to Cordia gharaf , fruiting calyx margin is lobed ,  

[dr.rakesh Singh]

[dr.rakesh Singh]

Reference above is 

from Flora of Rajasthan 

[dr.rakesh Singh]

https://tropical.theferns.info/viewtropical.php?id=Cordia+crenata#:~:text=Cordia%20crenata%20is%20a%20shrub,Huxley.

[Nidhan Singh]

Really interesting upload Rakesh Ji..
Thanks

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https://www.bsmpsbooks.com/journal/1000/article/OFFDOFMw

https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/speciesDesc_PCL.action?species_id=38548

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Rakesh ji, for the wonderful additions.

Can the following be the same species?:
Boraginaceae Week: Cordia dichotoma Forster from Delhi

Can you check if any similar observations at 
https://efloraofindia.com/2011/02/19/cordia-dichotoma/?

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Recorded in Savarkundla, Amreli in April 2023 
Identified by Botanists and Foresters of Gujarat in a whatsapp group then , I cannot name one single person .  

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Rakesh ji

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No Cordia crenata in this page  .Almost all are Cordia myxa, only one or two C. dichotoma ....one from Muscat and possibly one from WB Dinajpur . .
To me Cordia myxa and Cordia dichotoma are distinct though I cannot describe the differences if you ask me . One season I had recorded flowers of both and they were different of course . Unripe fruits are used for pickle making and in season (spring) in market it is always fruit of dichotoma , never myxa . Here is a post on fb comparing flowers of the two species 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/indianflora/posts/3506185329422781/

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Thanks a lot, Rakesh ji

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Date: Sun, 8 Sept 2024 at 21:29
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female flower Cordia myxa.....look at stigma 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:24 PM dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rake...@gmail.com> wrote:

No Cordia crenata in this page  .Almost all are Cordia myxa, only one or two C. dichotoma ....one from Muscat and possibly one from WB Dinajpur . .
To me Cordia myxa and Cordia dichotoma are distinct though I cannot describe the differences if you ask me . One season I had recorded flowers of both and they were different of course . Unripe fruits are used for pickle making and in season (spring) in market it is always fruit of dichotoma , never myxa . Here is a post on fb comparing flowers of the two species 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/indianflora/posts/3506185329422781/

On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 4:31 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Rakesh ji

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female flower Cordia dichotoma ....look at stigma 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:29 PM dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rake...@gmail.com> wrote:

female flower Cordia myxa.....look at stigma 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:24 PM dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rake...@gmail.com> wrote:

No Cordia crenata in this page  .Almost all are Cordia myxa, only one or two C. dichotoma ....one from Muscat and possibly one from WB Dinajpur . .
To me Cordia myxa and Cordia dichotoma are distinct though I cannot describe the differences if you ask me . One season I had recorded flowers of both and they were different of course . Unripe fruits are used for pickle making and in season (spring) in market it is always fruit of dichotoma , never myxa . Here is a post on fb comparing flowers of the two species 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/indianflora/posts/3506185329422781/

On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 4:31 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Rakesh ji

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Date: Sun, 8 Sept 2024 at 21:45
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Apart from stigma what I have observed is ....
Cordia myxa is a bigger tree ,leaf comparatively smaller than dichotoma , orbicular to oblong , ripe fruits are about 1.5 cm in diameter ,orangish pink translucent.
Cordia dichotoma trees are smaller , larger orbicular leaf , new emerging leaves are velutinous on undersurface and ripe fruits are about 2cm in diameter light yellow in color , not translucent . 
Branchlets in both are drooping but they are much longer in C. dichotoma . 
As I said these differences are rather general , Stigma I find specific . 
In discussions on facebook opinions on facebook were very confusing .Finally  I managed to get clarity on these two from a paper from Egypt . 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:31 PM dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rake...@gmail.com> wrote:

female flower Cordia dichotoma ....look at stigma 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:29 PM dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rake...@gmail.com> wrote:

female flower Cordia myxa.....look at stigma 

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 9:24 PM dr.rakesh Singh <dr.rake...@gmail.com> wrote:

No Cordia crenata in this page  .Almost all are Cordia myxa, only one or two C. dichotoma ....one from Muscat and possibly one from WB Dinajpur . .
To me Cordia myxa and Cordia dichotoma are distinct though I cannot describe the differences if you ask me . One season I had recorded flowers of both and they were different of course . Unripe fruits are used for pickle making and in season (spring) in market it is always fruit of dichotoma , never myxa . Here is a post on fb comparing flowers of the two species 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/indianflora/posts/3506185329422781/

On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 4:31 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[J.M. Garg]

Also see earlier discussions in the matter: 
Confusion- Cordia myxa L. and Cordia dichotoma G.Forst.

Any comments are welcome. 

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[dr.rakesh Singh]

[dr.rakesh Singh]

Sir , I have read it all . No confusion for me . I see both of them on daily basis...myxa is very common in Surat , dichotoma not so . Same goes for Saurashtra. But I suspect there should be plenty of dichotoma in forests to sustain pletiful supply of dichotoma fruits in market in spring /early summer.