Fabaceae-Faboideae (Papilionaceae) Week :: Erythrina suberosa in northern Western Ghats

[Dinesh Valke]

Erythrina suberosa Roxb.

• er-ith-RY-nuh -- red colored
  sub-er-OH-suh -- cork bark

Apr 7, 2007 ... along NH4 near Lonavala, Maharashtra

commonly known as: Indian coral tree, tiger claw • Bengali: রক্তমন্দার raktamandar • Hindi: ढोलधाक dhol-dhak, मन्दार mandara, पांगरा pangra • Kannada: halivana, keechige, mandara • Konkani: पांगार paangaar • Malayalam: ആണ്മുരിക്ക് aanmurikk, മുളളുമുരിക്ക് mulalumurikk, വെണ്മുരിക്ക് venamurikk • Marathi: पांगारा pangara • Sanskrit: मन्दार mandara, पारिभद्र paribhadra • Tamil: கிஞ்சுகம் kincukam, முண்முருக்கு munmurukku, முருக்கு மரம் murukku maram • Telugu: బలభద్రిక balabhadrika

Native to: Indian subcontinent, s-e Asia


some views:

• Apr 7, 2007 ... along NH4 near Lonavala, Maharashtra
  
• Apr 7, 2008 ... near Lion's Point, Lonavala, Maharashtra
  
• Feb 15, 2009 ... at Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park)
  
• Apr 14, 2010 ... along NH8 near Chinchoti, Maharashtra
  

Dear friends, embedded images attached for the benefit of those who are unable to view them among contents above.

Regards.
Dinesh

[Gurcharan Singh]

Great Photographs, Dinesh ji

Gurcharan Singh

[Balkar Singh]

Amazing Catch

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[H S]

Good photos, but...
I guess this species is E. stricta, i may be wrong but please check once again..

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[Dinesh Valke]

Indeed HS.
It is Erythrina stricta var. suberosa (Roxb.) Niyomdham ... this photo of the plant is featured at UBC Botanical Garden and Centre for Plant Research.

There it says: ... It is far more common that this coral tree is presented with the scientific name Erythrina suberosa online, but its taxonomic status was changed in 1992 to being recognized as only a variety of Erythrina stricta. It is native to southeast and south Asia.

At present, the status is different (referencing The Plants List).
Here, we see Erythrina stricta var. suberosa (Roxb.) Niyomdham put as synonym of Erythrina suberosa Roxb.
It is pure matter of study, if the status is otherwise.


But if this plant has to be Erythrina stricta Roxb. you must be seeing some strong feature which differentiates it from Erythrina suberosa Roxb.
Please guide.

Regards.
Dinesh

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dinesh ji & H S

Leaving aside the nomenclature status, I think the two trees are distinct

E. stricta seems to be less prickly, prickly usually whitish, with leaves glabrous on both sides, several racemes at ends of stout branches, flowers scarlet in colour, calyx spathelike split up to base and pod 2-3 seeded.

http://www.sunshine-seeds.de/index.php?manufacturers_id=4&filter_id=827&sort=2a&page=2

http://www.stockphotopro.com/photo_of/coral/1066163LCR/Flowers_of_the_coral

E. suberosa on the other hand is densely prickly with yellowish or brownish prickles, leaves beneath and branches densely hairy, flowers with tinge of orange, calyx turbinate, bilabiate but not split up to base, fruit 4-5 seeded.

http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/potd/2007/06/erythrina_suberosa.php

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqmehdi/3536008764/

I think Dinesh ji's plant is E. suberosa whatever may be its nomenclatural status.

Gurcharan Singh

[H S]

thanks for your information...

i want to say E.stricta var. stricta and not suberosa, 

what i know is E. suberosa is hardly with spines, bark always look rupture..

regards

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear H S 

Please have a look at E. stricta uploaded by Joshi ji today, and also the links I sent you today in this thread.

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[Narendra Joshi]

Great photographs, DInesh Ji!

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[H S]

sorry, above comment i wrote without reading your link sirji, but even after reading, it do not satisfy the conclusion, and in the second link, i do not think they have provided with proper correct photo ( i may be wrong), but i guess, E. suberosa less prickly than E. stricta, infact E. suberosa on stem hardly show spines, bark is thick, rupture and look like crocodile bark, very light to handle or may be, because of this character it has been used as cork in older days, even the leaflets are thick, tomentose, 

E. suberosa very commonly seen in Pune, in Maharashtra.. its quite distinct from E. stricta and E. variegata the species found in Wild.

i think photo here is E. stricta 

regards,

[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks a lot H S

I just went through my photographsof E. suberosa  from Delhi, and yes the stems and branches are not that prickly. I will upload all my collections of Erythrina in a day or two. Kindly give your opinion on them.

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[Satish Phadke]

I agree to some extent with HS ji
What I feel
Erythrina suberosa called as Pangari or Booch pangara. Small tree.
Bark light grey.corky, cracked,vertical fissures or grooves deep. Branches crooked.
Flowers early Feb March; common around Pune.
Erythrina stricta. Also called Pangari. Large tree.Bark smooth(Not grooved)Branches prickly far more than the above. Flowering season comparatively late- MayObserved more in large jungles in Mulshi and others in Konkan not near the city of Pune 
Of course the Key in BSI is very good and depends on calyx spathaceous,not 2 lipped,splitting down deep to base in E.variegata and E.stricta whereas not so in E suberosa where it is not spathaceous and it is more or less 2 lipped.
Shrikant ji's book also gives clear differentiating characters.
Hope this doesn't add to the confusion.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Dear friends,

Reading through comments, my plant seems to be Erythrina stricta just as HS suggested.
Apologies for mistaking ID in the first place.

Will wait for few more days to take into account any other validating comments, before I correct my flickr notes.

Regards.
Dinesh

[Yazdy Palia]

My pictures of E Stricta?
Regards
Yazdy.

[J.M. Garg]

Erythrina suberosa Roxb. as per images herein & as per another thread.

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[radha veach]

To me this one is Erythrina stricta as previously concluded in the thread.

regards
Radha

[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks Radha very very much ... will correct it in flickr.

Regards.

Dinesh

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