Elephant Apple tree in the rain forest

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raghu ananth

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Aug 13, 2010, 11:21:05 PM8/13/10
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Elephant Apple tree in the rain forest

white flowers, green fruits, height of the tree 50 - 60 feet, 

( Leeches are everywhere in the wet forest floor under this tree. They easily detect our presence and seen fast approaching towards us. Leech guard is a must.)

Jaipur (Assam)
18 Jul 2010

Regards
Raghu


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Vijayasankar

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Aug 15, 2010, 12:37:58 AM8/15/10
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Dear Raghu ji,
 
What kind of leech guard do you use?
 
We used to spray dettol as leech repellant over the white foot-sac (knee-size spl socks). This works good in keeping leeches away. But we have to keep spraying dettol at some time intervals.
 
Just wanted to know if any other methods are in use.

With regards

Vijayasankar


Pankaj Oudhia

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Aug 15, 2010, 1:55:28 AM8/15/10
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I am also eager to know about Leech guard Raghu ji.

The discussion on Leech reminds me of recent trade query. Here is excerpts

" i developed a remedy for growing hair with leech. i got 100% success. the
  problem is the procurement of leeches.
I have been using desi leeches till date which i was getting from local vendor. i would like to confirm first that the price i am looking for is between rs. 500-1000/kg. my quantity would be about 50-100kg per week."

I forwarded this query to my contacts but still they are searching potential suppliers.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia

Vijayasankar

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Aug 15, 2010, 2:38:14 AM8/15/10
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Interesting trade info Pankaj ji.
 
Perhaps Agumbe (KA) would be a potential hunting ground for leeches (the type which Raghu ji photographed, not the big one which is used in Ayurveda treatments).

With regards

Vijayasankar


Yazdy Palia

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Aug 15, 2010, 12:13:07 PM8/15/10
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Hello friends,
I do not use any leech guard, we just get bitten, they suck and drop
by themselves. It bleeds for some time and then stops. We have plenty
of them now, it will increase during the north east monsoon. If you
try to stop the bleeding, some irritation on the spot occurs which can
last for a few months. Not harmful in any way.
It bleeds as long as the sputum remains in the wound and then stops by
itself. However, tobacco juice is a very safe way of preventing the
leeches from climbing on to your limbs.
Regards
Yazdy.

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Neil Soares

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Aug 15, 2010, 12:42:06 PM8/15/10
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Hi,
 Had posted this attachment on the 'birdsofbombay' website. It may help.
                        With regards,
                          Neil Soares.

--- On Sun, 8/15/10, Yazdy Palia <yazdy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Biting Pest Repellents.doc

Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 15, 2010, 12:51:20 PM8/15/10
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I have not seen leeches in nature except for few at Pachmarhi back in 1977, but remember that when we were small children persons would roam in our area with collection of leaches, find a sick man, put leaches on the back of sick man. The leaches would suck bad blood (what we were told as children), slowly swell up and fall down.
   Not seen such healers for a long time. Perhaps Dr. Oudhia can throw some light.


-- 
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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Pankaj Kumar

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Aug 15, 2010, 1:16:25 PM8/15/10
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I also dont mind leeches climbing on me, but there are risks if some one is allergic to it. It almost dissolves a part of the flesh on allergic persons, and secondly, if it goes inside ur ears then its really bad. Quercus forests in Himalaya can be one of the place where you can find leeches for sure and for sure people will be happy if you are collecting them. By the way, why dont you breed it Oudhia sir!!

Pankaj

Vijayasankar

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Aug 15, 2010, 2:04:39 PM8/15/10
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I am allergic to ticks. the bitten spots will be itching for a month or so, can't resist scratching all the time, that ultimately cause wounds! (so i think leeches are better than ticks). Heard of people using neem oil, neem soap bath, paste of Andrographis paniculata leaves etc etc to manage tick bites and related allergies. Ticks are plenty (sometimes rains from twigs in hundreds when you shake the branch/leaves while walking in the forest) in dry forests and grasslands.
 
However i am not allergic to leeches. But if once i see them on me, i can't concentrate in my work in the field, will spend lot of time in checking for and removing them. Will always feel like leeches climbing on and entering into the socks, bleeding, etc etc. so frequently check the shoes and inside socks. Not yet developed the resistence in mind, will have to learn from people like Yezdi ji, Pankaj...
 
Thanks Neil ji for the useful tips. Hope Oudhia ji also will come up with his own experience and traditional herbal remedy for the problem.

With regards

Vijayasankar


Pankaj Oudhia

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Aug 15, 2010, 2:55:02 PM8/15/10
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Yes Pankaj ji you are right. At last breeding is the only way to get it in bulk. I suggested them.

As you know, as Indian Viagra Trombidium i.e. Red Velvet Mite is used since generations in India. This rain insect (In  fact mite) is collected as the monsoon rains start. It is hardly one week business but bulk collection is done. I have written a lot on its different aspects and published so many papers. When a trader came to me for permanent solution I suggested him to start breeding program. He assinged it to me and I am in process of developing new methods. When I am typing this message, thousands of mites are active in large insect box made from glass and filled with soil. They make no noise. (But at sharp 1AM another insect species make specific noise and then I have to give them herbs as food. )

Vijayashankar ji, without any delay please consult Homoeopath in order to get rid from tick allergy in single dose, forever. (I am also a student of Homoepathy but I am more engaged in Agrohomoeopathy.)

In forests where I visit a fly called Andhiari Machhi is most dangerous one. The Healers say that this fly forces the carnivores to stay in dark place during day time. These flies like me, it seems. Once their attack made swelling in my head and within hour my head was looking like football. There was no pain. The Healers warned me to avoid consuming sugar in any form before entering in forest in order to get protection.

Whenever I visit to North-East for consulation work I keep Homoeoparthic MT for external use. It protects from leeches.

In Ayurveda "Rakta Mokshan" is performed with the help of leeches.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia   

Vijayasankar

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Aug 15, 2010, 3:06:25 PM8/15/10
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You are an OUDHIPEDIA !
 
Thanks for sharing the useful info & your experience.

With regards

Vijayasankar


Pankaj Kumar

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Aug 15, 2010, 3:26:32 PM8/15/10
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hahahaha.....thats cute Encyclopedia name..... Thanks for the info Oudhia sir....
Regards
Pankaj

rajesh ramnarayan

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Aug 15, 2010, 11:30:02 PM8/15/10
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Dear Sir,
 
During my treks in forest i rub a thick coat of vasaline over my boots and sprinkle salt over it.It keeps most of them away.
regards
rajesh ramnarayan.
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Yazdy Palia

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Aug 16, 2010, 12:22:34 AM8/16/10
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Dear Vijayashankar Ji,
For heavens sake do not go to an alopath for tick allergy. I was once stung by a poisonous tick due to which I had a swelling on the feet. I went to a doctor after 3 days of swelling. He was a family friend and prescribed avil. The swelling immediately subsided. After a month or so, I developed the same symptom due to another sting, of which I was not aware. The symptoms were terrible, red patches from head to toe, chest pain and a drop in blood pressure. I got it treated, however the third time it happened, the reaction was so severe that I almost died. The systolic pressure dropped to 45 and I could not even stand. The doctors told me that I had to live in a sterilized atmosphere or the next time I will be dead before reaching the hospital. My Homeopathic doctor just laughed over it and prescribed Arsenicum Album.
I am now totally free of the symptoms, we continue to have a lot of ticks in the summer due to my deers but nothing happens to me now. I have never visited an alopath since then.
Regards
Yazdy.

promila chaturvedi

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Aug 16, 2010, 8:02:02 AM8/16/10
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Prof. Sing,
On my visit to Namdapha in last March, leaches found me an easy target. But there is no relief in my joints pain or swelling even getting bitten so mercifully.
Promila

Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 16, 2010, 10:30:08 AM8/16/10
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Yes Promila ji
Even those patients if I remember, would get temporary (may be psychological) relief and would be same after a day or so,



-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Vijayasankar

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Aug 16, 2010, 10:47:01 AM8/16/10
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Dear Yazdi ji,
 
Thanks a lot for sharing your personal experience, really a horrifying one, but educative to others. Good to know that finally Homeo helped you. We have also used Arsenicum for the porpose, it really works well.

With regards

Vijayasankar


raghu ananth

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Aug 16, 2010, 12:37:35 PM8/16/10
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Dear Vijay shankar ji/All

We carried antisepic germicidal - Dettol this time in Assam. Later we used anti leech socks
in Arunachal. Leeches can neither penetrate inside not climb up the socks. 
(Rs. 100/- per pair of anti leech socks). 

Some time back., I thought of sharing  our leech bite moments in the Western ghats. Will do it soon.

Regards
Raghu




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raghu ananth

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Aug 16, 2010, 12:43:31 PM8/16/10
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Photo attachments - Participants of Butterfly meet wearing Leech guard. Miao, Arunachal Jul 2010.

A professional kind..


Regrds
raghu


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Neil Soares

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Aug 16, 2010, 1:15:12 PM8/16/10
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Hi Mr.Yazdy Palia,

     I did not want to respond to your provocation, but I was just wondering if, God forbid, you were to be bitten by a venomous snake would you still consult the same homeopath [or would you simply take double the dose of the Arsenic]?

                     With regards,

                        Dr. Neil Soares

Yazdy Palia

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Aug 16, 2010, 1:51:54 PM8/16/10
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Dear Dr. Neil Soares,
I did not know that I was provoking someone. If I have inadvertently offended you, please excuse me. I did not know that you were an Alopathic Doctor. I only stated a fact. The Physician briefed me that the very nature of an allergen is that the next time one is attacked by the same agent, the body recognizes it and starts destroying the cells as it identifies the agent present in the body as such one could get very severe reaction. He had advised me not to step into my farm. When I told him that I have  a dog and he may bring the agent into the house, the doctor asked me to get rid of the dog. I told him that I had fowls and they move around freely in my farm and they could bring the agent close to my house and he asked me to get rid of the fowls.
He went to the extent of narrating a movie on AXN where the protagonist had to ultimately move around in some kind of a space suite so that he would not get stung by a bee. He gave me a couple of tablets and stated that as soon as the reaction starts, I was to take the tablets and rush to the hospital. If I am slightly late, I would not reach the hospital.
I have not thought of what I would do if I am bitten by a venomous snake. Most probably someone would take me to an hospital.
However dear doctor, I know quite a few MBBS  and MD's practising Homeopathy in Bombay. If you ever go to Sion, you will come across a Dr. Habbu cirlce. You will find the Jr. Dr .Habbu who is a qualified Alopathic doctor who is practicing Homeopathy and people stand for 2 hours in the Que to get a token to see him. He has an associate who is also an MD. They are very successful Homeopathic practitioners.
It appears you have a poor opinion of Homeopathy. My humble suggestion please make a little study.
I am no expert, in fact my knowledge is bare minimum, but I know a little about it.
One of my relatives had multy system failure and her daughter arranged for the lawyer to prepare her last will after a leading hospital in Mysore advised that the lady is in her last stages, she could barely breathe, her entire body was bloated up due to edema, her heart was barely functioning. One of my friends gave her a mixture of Homeopathy medicine and within 10 minutes she was breathing normally, by morning her edema was reduced, her kidneys started functioning and her daughter who arrived with the lawyer in the morning was stunned to see her sitting on the dining table having a cup of tea. 
It is over a year now and the lady is still alive.
I would advise people to see a doctor for anything else but for an allergy, I would never advise anyone to see an Allopath. This is not to provoke anyone but in the interest of a human being. I was so bad, I could not stand, I could not hold my bowel movement as people carried me to the toilet. My systolic was 45. I did not want anyone else to go through this nightmare.
Please do not take it as an offence.
Regards
Yazdy.

nabha meghani

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Aug 16, 2010, 4:32:35 PM8/16/10
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Ah, they look like "Gamaschen" to me. We used to wear Gamaschen, when trecking in Alps, going thru kneehigh snow. Our Gamaschen had some hook like things, to attach them to the boots, they were not pushed into the boots, to prevent the snow going into the boots. Somewhat like in the first Foto.
I had forgotten my Gamaschen totally, must be resting somewhere in a corner. It was looooong looooong ago, that I used them.
regards
nalini

Vijayasankar

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Aug 16, 2010, 9:29:45 PM8/16/10
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Dear all,
 
The discussion happening here is a very healthy one and thank you all for sharing the personal experiences. The discussion here is about a perticular issue and not about a medical system. No one has blamed any system. Each medical system has its own merits and demerits, and whatever is compatible to us we are bound to use. I have seen allopathic doctors using ayurvedic or homeo medicine for certain ailments. It is also not uncommon that even popular ayurvedic physicians using modern medicine/treatment for various ailments. As we all know, certain systems are very effective in certain ailments.
 
Raghu ji, thanks for sharing the pictures. We used to use the similar socks but white, made of cotton material (i know its not water proof but it helps aeration, good for tropical habitats, and also easy to see any insect as the background is white. we spray dettol over the socks and shoes to keep leeches away). Attached a picture showing leech-proof socks (in photo: Dr.Ravikumar).
 
Thank you all once again for participating in the healthy discussion and sharing your experiences. This is the strength of our group.

With regards

Vijayasankar


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lavkumar khachar

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Aug 16, 2010, 11:22:34 PM8/16/10
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Dear Friends,

One of the reasons why I hesitate going to the Eastern Himalaya and the Western Ghats to see the marvellous burst of flora during the rains is the presence of leeches. I am highly allergic to them though fascinated by them. While reading through this discussion, which like the leeches themselves is getting rather bloated (with opinions in place of blood) I just could not resist adding my bit to all that is being said. Might not white shoes, socks, leggings as Vijaya is wearing, and trousers help in attracting less leeches? After all, it is the warmth of the body that triggers them into action and white will reflect light as against heat. Earlier we were told that soaking socks in brine kept the pests from climbing on. Might it not be better than Dettol?

Just an aside to amuse you and nothing to do with leeches: in the photograph, note the Forest Guard terribly conscious of being in the photograph standing to attention! We Indians love to be in the picture and possibly my writing this is metaphorically a result of this national failure.

Lavkumar Khachar.

Pankaj Oudhia

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Aug 17, 2010, 1:35:58 AM8/17/10
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Even Dr.Hahnemann, founder of Homoeopathy system of medicine, was Allopath.


regards

Pankaj Oudhia

Pankaj Kumar

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Aug 17, 2010, 1:44:40 AM8/17/10
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This thread reminds me of one very hilarious discussion with eminent taxonomists. Mr. U.C.Pradhan, Dr. Sarat Misra, Dr. S.P.Vij, Dr. C.Sathish Kumar, two doctors from Nepal and me and my friend Jeewan were there on a field work in a oak forest in Pokhara, Nepal. Sathish Sir, all of a sudden said, "you know Pankaj we all are THIRD CLASS TAXONOMISTS thats why we are getting leeches". I couldnt make out at first why he said. Then he explained:

1st CLASS TAXONOMISTS: WORKS IN AC ROOM, ASKS HIS OR HER STAFF TO GATHER INFORMATIONS AND THEN PUBLISHES ON HIS NAME.
2nd CLASS TAXONOMISTS: GOES TO FIELD IN A CAR, NEVER GETS OUT, ASSUMES WHAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE AREA AND PUBLISHES ON HIS NAME, OR SOMETIMES EVEN PUBLISHES OTHER'S DATA!!
3rd CLASS TAXONOMISTS: GOES TO THE FIELD ON FOOT, DOES HARD LABOUR, MOST OF THE TIME DOESNT FIND MUCH INFORMATION TO PUBLISH, EVEN IF HE OR HE DOES, THE ARTICLE GET REJECTED!!

So thanks to all those of our third class taxonomists here, who have the leech experience and thats just because they go to field and I am glad that field botany is still alive in India. Inspite of all our personal differences, I am glad to see on one side, Dr. Gurcharan who has been contributing pics from his recent trips in J & K; at the same time, Valke sir, who is a non botanists, still goes to field collect informations and shares them here. This is really a nice place to be.

So, LONG LIVE LEECH EXPERIENCES!! till those experiences are there, it means we are going to field.

Secondly, precaution can always help you from keeping away from such things. LONG SOCKS MADE OF TERECOT could help, wearing full sleeves shirt is always recommended, hat or cap is useful, put a cotton ball in your ears. Odomos cream, or tobacco water, or dettol is always helpful as repellent. Please remember, 50% of the issues are psychological and hence you can get rid of it by controlling your mind. In dehradun we have leeches inside our campus, so to get rid of the  apprehension I sometimes used to walk in the forests, barefooted, at one point of time, I even use to catch some leech and put it on my arms, to check how it felt when it bites.....and gradually I got rid of this psychological  apprehension. Issues are there only when some of persons are truly allergic to leech. You cant help in that case!!

Regards
Pankaj

Pankaj Oudhia

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Aug 17, 2010, 2:05:50 AM8/17/10
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----There is an option. In place of carrying so many protection tools one can travel with senior Traditional Healers aware of treatment of every problem. I feel ashamed while walking with full protective measures and they walk in front even without country shoes. Madhav Gadgil ji has truely named them as Bare Foot Taxonomists.

Once we were on foot in forest and met Leopard (Tendua). Without any delay I tried to climb on Sterculia urens tree by fear, ignoring the fact that Leopard is also a good climber. Due to protective meausres and smooth trunk I failed. The Healer remained still and showed to Leopard that Sterculia is his territory, and he is not ready to surrender. After few long minutes Leopard changed the path.

I visit to forest with my long jungle torch generally used by American police. It is of no use in protection from wild elephants, sloth bear, leopard and even leeches.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia 

Pankaj Oudhia

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Aug 17, 2010, 2:32:37 AM8/17/10
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The thread is of Elephant Apple tree, Raghu ji and we are talking about everything from leeches to different systems of medicine and Taxonomy but not this Elephant Apple tree.

Last night I was searching my CGBD i.e. database on Chhattisgarh Biodiversity, I found a formulation based on Chalta bark decoction with Karra and Bhirha bark decoction for protection from Leeches and insects while working in forest.

There are tens of versions of this formulation used in different parts of my state for the same purpose.

Now we are Back to Chalta i.e. Dillenia.

regards

Pankaj Oudhia

Yazdy Palia

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Dear Vijayasankar ji,
your long socks reminds me of a hilarious incident. My late father used long gumboots, and he used it successfully till he found one day a leach had nicely lodged on to his organ. He only realized it when he had to urinate. The long socks may not be such a good idea after all.
Have a nice laugh.
Yazdy.

Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 17, 2010, 3:27:17 AM8/17/10
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Pankaj ji
Now if some one calls me: "You are a Third Class Taxonomist", I would be more happier.

True only if you go to the field, you can feel the excitement. I remember when I went outside Kashmir valley to Jammu for the first time I could not sleep the whole night because lizard (Chhipkali) was roaming the whole night on the walls. Similarly it is rare to see snakes in Kashmir, but incidently My research area Harwan was one of the few places having snakes. One early morning within a span of about 20 minutes, I saw snake crawling besides me thrice. That was enough for a person unfamiliar with snakes. I packed my bags and rushed home for the day.
     Bears was another scare in the forest area, and I would always be careful to avoid them from a distance. One day in the park itself I thought a cow was roaming about, but when I saw it, there was a bear just 10-15 feet away from me. Luckily it did not see me and I quietly ran away from it. It was in light of the fact that only a few days earlier another bear had descended into the park. BSF people surrounded it (I don't know their purpose), the desperate bear rushed towards one side, attacked and injured a couple of personell.

The experiences continue in life.

I don't think any body on the group knows about it. I am carrying a pacemaker since 2008. As such my wife is always worried about my health. Last year I felt great satisfaction when I stood on some 12500 ft high Rohtang Pass, without any health sign. Wish God gives me strength long enough.


-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Pankaj Kumar

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Aug 17, 2010, 4:24:37 AM8/17/10
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hehehe, yes infact you yourself know very well how many persons of your age you have seen going in field. I am not happy to know about your pacemaker, but hope and wish that you have a long life.... and keep contributing. Our contributions are not only for the group but for science and botany and for the country and a true field botanists always loves to be in the field. Even my boss, Dr, Rawat is one such rare botanist of the world.

I remember during my last field trip to Pithoragarh with Dr. Jyotsna Sharma, we stayed in a small room without much facility of power and bathroom and spiders and night crawlers inside our room. Every day we used to get drenched in rain, even her new camera got damaged. In the field I caught one snake, one Lizard and one spider, one frog and one crab for study too. I remember there was a time when I was so much scared of lizards, and now I can handle some snakes and insects and lizards and whatever comes across but of course with precautions.

Just felt like adding one pic...

LONG LIVE FIELD BOTANY AND THIRD CLASS TAXONOMISTS.....I AM ONE OF THEM :))

Regards
Pankaj
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Pankaj Oudhia

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Aug 17, 2010, 4:27:02 AM8/17/10
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Bravo!!!

I am already fan of your dedication Gurucharan ji. Now you can put my name as permanent fan.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Whenever you get time please send the names of food items you take daily in general. Based on it I will prepare special diet schedule using herbs available in surroundings. It will keep you as well as your heart tuned.

And also for you Promila ji, as you are tolerating joint pain even after having so many expert friends in this group.

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Pankaj Oudhia

Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 17, 2010, 4:37:07 AM8/17/10
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Thanks Pankaj ji & Pankaj ji
Such good words of encouragement keep me going.
This group has made me forget that I am retired from active service.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Madhuri Pejaver

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Aug 17, 2010, 6:19:59 AM8/17/10
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Dear Pankaj ji
Count me on for the knee pain too.
Amore sedentary life for last few years due th epost I hold has resulted in the knee pain.
Madhuri


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Sent: Tue, 17 August, 2010 1:57:02 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:44578] Elephant Apple tree in the rain forest

Vijayasankar

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Aug 17, 2010, 6:12:46 PM8/17/10
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Great & congrats Gurcharan ji! You have many more heights to reach in the future. May God bless you and everyone a healthy and long life.
 
Yes Oudhia ji, this thread has become multifaceted and still growing.....
 
Dear Dr.Pankaj, we are going to the forests which are home for these creatures. So you (we all for that matter) have stayed in their house and disturbed their privacy (take it easy :)). Anyway i appreciate your courage. Keep it up! (the little snake is very cute, is that real?!). The classification of taxonomists is a good one. Will you accept, if i say that many of the '3rd class taxonomists' want to become '1st class t' due to 'respect' in the 'society' and the attractive perks for the class?!
 
I could only laugh (loudly) to Yazdy ji's mail ;). As Oudhia ji said, all the local people/tribals who go to the forests wear either simple slippers or go bare foot. They just don't bother about these issues. Since they dont wear any shoes, the leeches don't climb up up..! Its safe in a way ;).

With regards

Vijayasankar


Anantanarayan Rajaram

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Aug 18, 2010, 12:54:25 AM8/18/10
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In continuation of the topic, I found the following info about homeopathic medicines in a 1986  article published in a naturalist's magazine by Dr. K. V .Lakshminarayana of ZSI, Madras
For allergic conditions: Urtica urens 30X, a homeopathic drug may be used and is a safe medicine
For bee and wasp stings: Apis mel 30X relieves pain and edema. Stings have to be removed with forceps. Four or five globules are sufficient
Scorpion stings and centipede bites: Tiriaq A proprietary madicine made by Rev. Father Muller's Laboratory, Kankanady, Mangalore. Though claimed as an effective medicine for snake bites, it has been very successfully used in several cases of scorpion stings and centipede bites. Ten drops of the green liquid in half ounce water is to be taken first, which tastes sweet at the first instance. After 10-15 minutes, a second dose is given and by that time if the venom is detoxicated, the medicine tastes bitter with strong camphor-like smell. Nothing else needs to be done. Local application also is recommended. This excellent remedy is now scarce in the market.
Hot day and sunstroke thereby: Glonoine 30X  All the  symptoms like running nose, sore eye etc. will stop after taking 4 or 5 globules
Rajaram




Pankaj Oudhia

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Aug 18, 2010, 1:08:29 AM8/18/10
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Thanks for the information. As you have mentioned

"Ten drops of the green liquid in half ounce water is to be taken first, which tastes sweet at the first instance. After 10-15 minutes, a second dose is given and by that time if the venom is detoxicated, the medicine tastes bitter with strong camphor-like smell."

It is typical property of Neem and Neem is used for snake bite in this way since generations. I am not aware of the ingredient of Mangalore medicine. But it seems that it is nothing but Neem.

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Pankaj Oudhia

Pankaj Kumar

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Aug 18, 2010, 1:35:50 AM8/18/10
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Yeah the cobra was 100% real but a small one. Its not the courage to stay in their house Vijay, it was our need and I wanted to know if Jyostna can stay there, otherwise we had an option of hotel nearby. And yes, I know many who wishes to be a 1st Taxonomist, but frankly, I like to stay third class!!! I want to feel the nature and environment. Even in my hostel room when friends come some really feel offended, why I have my fans off during summer :p.....

Yes this thread is getting interesting.....
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