Plant of Acanthaceae or Labiatae from Himachal Pradesh??

[Debashish Dey]

Dear All, 

This plant is collected from some hills of Himachal Pradesh, India  during the months of January.

1) Which family does the plant belongs to: Labiatae or Acanthaceae??

2) Is it Elsholtzia strobilanthes???

I have attached one pic of plant collected by us and another similar pic collected from internet.

Please help with the identification of the plant.

Thank you.

Debashish

[Paradesi Anjaneyulu]

Hope you're right Debashish Ji,

It's Acanthaceae member only  Elsholtzia sp.

Check properly local floras for sp.,

With regards. 

 

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[Debashish Dey]

Dear sir,

I showed the dried plant samples to few botany experts, but they couldnot tell much about the plant.

When the seeds were split open, they showed presence of jaculator like structures separating seeds in the fruit.

Now, jaculators are present in Acanthaceae only.

But the plant in morphology shows similarity to Elsholtzia which is from Lamiaceae.

Are there any member in Lamiaceae which has jaculators as an exception??

Thanks.

Debashish

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 7:21:24 AM UTC+5:30, Paradesi Anjaneyulu wrote:

Hope you're right Debashish Ji,

It's Acanthaceae member only  Elsholtzia sp.

Check properly local floras for sp.,

With regards. 

 

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 20:31, Debashish Dey <debashi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All, 

This plant is collected from some hills of Himachal Pradesh, India  during the months of January.

1) Which family does the plant belongs to: Labiatae or Acanthaceae??

2) Is it Elsholtzia strobilanthes???

I have attached one pic of plant collected by us and another similar pic collected from internet.

Please help with the identification of the plant.

Thank you.

Debashish

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[Paradesi Anjaneyulu]

Sorry, sir Ji, I am thinking Elsholtzia belongs to Acanthaceae member, but not correct, it belongs to Lamiaceae,

There are some overlapped characters in between both families as you said, 

let's wait for experts comments,

Thank you,

With regards. 

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[Debashish Dey]

Dear All,

 

Kindly help to confirm 

1) whether the plant is Elsholtzia strobilifera (picture attached, species name corrected) 

2) and whether it belongs to Acanthaceae or Lamiaceae???

Thanks 

Debashish

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Debashish ji.

It does not look like Elsholtzia strobilifera or any other species as per comparative images at Elsholtzia

Looks something like Phyllodium from Fabaceae (Leguminosae)‎

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[Debashish Dey]

Dear Sir, 

Sorry for not mentioning flower details. 

While collecting plant, one/two flower was there.

Flower was : fused corolla, tubular, pentamerous, bilabiate, violet coloured flower.

That is why i suspected it to be from Acanthaceae or Labiatae.

Debashish

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 5:00:18 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote:

Thanks, Debashish ji.

It does not look like Elsholtzia strobilifera or any other species as per comparative images at Elsholtzia

Looks something like Phyllodium from Fabaceae (Leguminosae)‎

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Dear All, 

This plant is collected from some hills of Himachal Pradesh, India  during the months of January.

1) Which family does the plant belongs to: Labiatae or Acanthaceae??

2) Is it Elsholtzia strobilanthes???

I have attached one pic of plant collected by us and another similar pic collected from internet.

Please help with the identification of the plant.

Thank you.

Debashish

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[J.M. Garg]

With this image it may be from Campanulaceae

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[Deshworjit Ningombam]

It is Strobilanthes auriculata. Acanthaceae

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Deahworjit ji.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Unique Strobilanthes !

Thank you. dr. Ningombam !

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

I think matches with images at Strobilanthes auriculata

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[Debashish Dey]

Dear Deshworjit Ningombam sir  (deshw...@gmail.com),

Thanks a lot for correctly identifying this endemic rare plant of the Genus - Strobilanthes of Acanthaceae.

After almost a year, now i got the correct identification for this plant.

I could predict that a further sub-species level classification may be needed after thorough study of this plant,

 since this plant pictures are different from previously reported ones.

Thank you.

Dr. Debashish Dey

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Dinesh ji

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 18:43, DINESH ALBERTSON <dinesha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can we have good resolution photograph.. Leaves and the spikes seem like Strobilanthes, but spikes lack clarity.. pic is too low resolution. If any other close up of flower bud or open flower will help ...

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Pl. see this also.

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[Debashish Dey]

Dear All,

I e-mailed all pictures of the plant to Dr. YS Bedi, IIIM, Jammu where this plant sample is deposited as Herbaria. He has confirmed the plant sample as Strobilanthes auriculata. I collected this species in Jan, 2019 from Kangra district. However, i couldnot find any plant growing in that region in Jan-2020. It is possible that this plant is monocarpic and flowers after many years as in case of Strobilanthes kunthiana in Nilgiri hills, Kerala flowers after 12 years.

I thank all from E-floraindia in helping me with the identification.

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Thanks, Debasish ji

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Dinesh ji

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On Tue 12 May, 2020, 7:36 PM DINESH ALBERTSON, <dinesha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Garg ji

We have records of the following Strobilanthes from Himachal

1. S. tomentosa

2. S. violifolia

3. S. wallichii

4. S. attenuata

5. S. angustifrons

6. S. bracteata

7. S. pentstemonoides dalhousiana

8 S. glutinosa

9. S. pavala

10. S. crossandra

but, this species is densely spicate (bracteate/strobilate) similar to S. auriculata.. and very hairy. there is a species S. rufescens from NE India.. I have not seen many Strobilanthes 

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Forwarding for validation as S.auriculata pl.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Dr. Wood.

Forwarding more images soon.

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Almost certainly Strobilanthes auriculata but distinctive leaves not present

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Jhn Wood

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Great..

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Dr. Wood.

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This is definitely Strobilanthes auriculata. Note sessile, auriculate leaves as well as typical inflorescence.

Regards

John Wood

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[Debashish Dey]

Dear Garg ji,

Thanks for final confirmation from Dr. Wood.  

I could find the mention of this plant in the book "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants of Himachal Pradesh" by Dr. N.S. Chauhan as "Kapur minjar" in Shahpur area of Kangra district only. I found it on one hill in Shahpur area but nowhere else. 

The picture of harbaria sample from IIIM is attached.

I am thankful to E-floraindia for the vast repository of plant pictures and taxonomy experts. 

Dr. Debashish Dey

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Debashish ji,

As per AKNOV02 Strobilanthes auriculata from Dehradun:

U.N. Kanjilal in his 'Forest Flora of the Chakrata, Dehra Dun and Saharanpur Forest Divisions' does not talk about this Strobilanthes flowering in long intervals, he mentions its Flowering period to be Nov.- March, however eflora of China says it is known to be pliestesial in some parts of its range. http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242425784

Hope this clarifies your doubt.

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Thanks a lot, Dr. Wood.

On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 17:20, John Wood <jri...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Very little is reliably known about flowering patterns in Strobilanthes. I think your observation that S. auriculata is sometimes annual flowering and sometimes not is probably correct. Certainly this seems to be true of S. atropurpurea. This is well-known to be monocarpic in the western Himalayas but it is clearly annul flowering further east. Regular field observations over many years combined with cultivation of plants from different regions and populations would help to clarify the situation. Anecdotally the monocarpic habit seems to be associated with a woody growth where several years are needed to reach maturity. My impression is that S. auriculata is not really shrubby so I would expect it usually to be annual flowering.

John Wood

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