Flacourtia species for ID.

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Satish Phadke

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Jan 23, 2011, 4:22:02 AM1/23/11
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I think this is Flacourtia latifolia T.Cooke. Please validate.
A small tree flowering presently (23 Jan 2010) on Vetal Tekdi Pune.
Armed with sharp spines. Leaves ovate, obovate alternate with serrate margins red petiole.
Flowers yellow with many stamens. No styles or stigmas visible. Size 0.5 cm or so. in small racemes.
Dr Phadke
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Jan 23, 2011, 6:05:31 AM1/23/11
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Satish Phadke

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Jan 24, 2011, 2:24:47 AM1/24/11
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After reading a lot from older posts and literature I understood some important points about Flacourtia genus............
1) It now belongs to Salicaceae and previously to Flacourtiaceae.
2) The flowers are without petals. Only sepals
3) Flowers are unisexual. Fruit is a berry.rather than a capsule as in Casearia
(My pictures are probably showing only male flowers)
4) If one sees female flowers one has to look carefully for the stigma and style to differentiate between the species.
5) There is a lot of confusion between F.indica and F. latifolia.
6) Acc. Flora of BSI Mah ;
Styles absent(stigma sessile)...F.latifolia
Styles distinct and conspicuous:
     Tomentose young twigs; leaves turning brown on drying  ....    F.montana
     Glabrous young twigs; Leaves not turning brown             ....    F.indica.
7)Cooke's Flora doesn't mention F.indica.
8) From Cooke's flora. the size of flower is a good additional differentiating character.

   Drupe size of a cherry; scarlet when ripe ...............................................................F. Montana

Drupe size of a plum; purple when ripe…………………………………………………………………F.cataphracta

Drupe size of a pea;

Stigmas  5-11………………………………………………………………………………………………………….F.Ramontchii

Stigmas   3-4……………………………………………………………………………………………………………F.latifolia

9) In all the above species the thorns do not bear flowers and fruits.Cooke mentions about one species
which bears flowers and fruits on thorns as F.sepiaria  
Now I have to go to the species and check for female flowers; check for the young twigs to see whether they are glabrous ortomentose.....hmmmmm
and also take some leaves for drying to see whether they turn brown.I think I had kept some twigs for 2 days which dried but did not turn brown.
Dr Phadke

Satish Phadke

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Jan 24, 2011, 2:34:12 AM1/24/11
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I would like to share some more information......................
The botanical name is of particular historical and geographical interest in South Africa. ‘Flacourtia’ honours E. de Flacourt (1607-60), a governor of Madagascar, who knew the Cape before van Riebeeck, and indica indicates that the east is equally the home of this little tree of the Transvaal bushveld.(REF>http://www.worldagroforestrycentre.org/sea/products/AFDbases/AF/asp/SpeciesInfo.asp?SpID=872)
Secondly Flacourtia is a host plant for the butterfly Common Leopard.

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J.M. Garg

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This could be a male plant of Flacourtia ramontchi.
We have discussed this earlier also, I think. Again there is difference of opinion about its synonymy with F. indica.
 
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J.M. Garg

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Some earlier relevant feedback:

“After reading a lot from older posts and literature I understood some important points about Flacourtia genus............


1) It now belongs to Salicaceae and previously to Flacourtiaceae.
2) The flowers are without petals. Only sepals
3) Flowers are unisexual. Fruit is a berry.rather than a capsule as in Casearia
(My pictures are probably showing only male flowers)
4) If one sees female flowers one has to look carefully for the stigma and style to differentiate between the species.
5) There is a lot of confusion between F.indica and F. latifolia.
6) Acc. Flora of BSI Mah ;
Styles absent(stigma sessile)...F.latifolia
Styles distinct and conspicuous:
     Tomentose young twigs; leaves turning brown on drying  ....    F.montana
     Glabrous young twigs; Leaves not turning brown             ....    F.indica.
7)Cooke's Flora doesn't mention F.indica.
8) From Cooke's flora. the size of flower is a good additional differentiating character.

   Drupe size of a cherry; scarlet when ripe ...............................................................F. Montana
Drupe size of a plum; purple when ripe…………………………………………………………………F.cataphracta
Drupe size of a pea;
Stigmas  5-11………………………………………………………………………………………………………….F.Ramontchii
Stigmas   3-4……………………………………………………………………………………………………………F.latifolia
9) In all the above species the thorns do not bear flowers and fruits.Cooke mentions about one species
which bears flowers and fruits on thorns as F.sepiaria  
Now I have to go to the species and check for female flowers; check for the young twigs to see whether they are glabrous ortomentose.....hmmmmm
and also take some leaves for drying to see whether they turn brown.I think I had kept some twigs for 2 days which dried but did not turn brown.

Dr Phadke”

 

“This could be a male plant of Flacourtia ramontchi.

We have discussed this earlier also, I think. Again there is difference of opinion about its synonymy with F. indica.

 
Regards   
Vijayasankar Raman”



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I think its F. indica
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shrikant ingalhalikar

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I think it is difficult to tell apart male plants of F. indica and F.
latifolia. From the leaves and fruits on female plants found around
Pune it can be said that Satishji's plant can be F. latifolia. It is
unlikely that male plants of F. indica also grow in Pune along with
female plants of F. latifolia. Irrespective of the locality these pix
can be treated (and post closed) as F. latifolia/indica. Regards,
Shrikant

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> I think its F. indica
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> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Joshi Pankaj <joshi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > need to local flora....we may corr. to Yadav Sir, ...<...sryada...@rediffmail.com....for>
> > sryada...@rediffmail.com <...sryada...@rediffmail.com>....for further
> > confirmation.
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> > --- On *Tue, 16/8/11, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>* wrote:
> > and *also take some leaves for drying to see whether they turn brown.I
> > think I had kept some twigs for 2 days which dried but did not turn brown.
> > *Dr Phadke”
>
> > “This could be a male plant of *Flacourtia ramontchi*.
> > We have discussed this earlier also, I think. *Again there is difference
> > of opinion about its synonymy with F. indica*.
> > Regards
> > Vijayasankar Raman”
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> > From: *Satish Phadke* <drsmpha...@gmail.com<http://in.mc1200.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drsmpha...@gmail.com>
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> > Date: 23 January 2011 14:52
> > Subject: [efloraofindia:60966] Flacourtia species for ID.
> > To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com<http://in.mc1200.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantreepix@googlegro...>
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> > I think this is* Flacourtia latifolia* T.Cooke. Please validate.
> > A small tree flowering presently (23 Jan 2010) on Vetal Tekdi Pune.
> > Armed with sharp spines. Leaves ovate, obovate alternate with serrate
> > margins red petiole.
> > Flowers yellow with many stamens. No styles or stigmas visible. Size 0.5 cm
> > or so. in small racemes.
> > Dr Phadke
>
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> > With regards,
> > J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com<http://in.mc1200.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jmga...@gmail.com>
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> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
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> >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them
> > for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
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