Tree for ID : 100511 : AK-1

[Aarti S. Khale]

Taken at Jijamata Udyan or Rani Baug, Mumbai, Maharashtra on the 10th
of April, 2008.
A medium sized tree with tiny white flowers.
Aarti

[Mahadeswara]

Looks like Cordia species.

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[ajinkya gadave]

i think this is vellaris heynei

[Mahadeswara]

Can you post the close up of flowers if you have.

On May 10, 6:36 pm, ajinkya gadave <ajinkyagad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i think this is *vellaris heynei*

[Aarti S. Khale]

Mahadeswara ji,
Sorry...I don't have any close up of flowers.
Will try to get them next time I visit.
Aarti

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[sumedha karkhanis]

I do not think this is vellaris heynei because a) heynei is a woody climber and b) in the survey made by Dr. Almeida he does not mention heynei. I think this is likely to be vallaris solanacea. However one will need a close up of the flowers to make a final call.

Unfortunately the tree may have lost all the flowers by now so we may have to wait till next year.
Anyway Aarti, I will be going to Jijamata garden (at 9 in the morning) coming Sunday, you are welcome to join.

Medha Karkhanis

[Aarti S. Khale]

Dear Medha,
Thanks for the offer to join you at Jijamata Udyan on Sunday.
Unfortunately I am out of town or would have definitely liked to come.
Probably Dr Usha ji or Renee ji can help us with the id.
Regards,
Aarti

[Dinesh Valke]

... Vallaris heynei is synonym of Vallaris solanacea ... climber.
Just as Mahadeswara ji's thinks, my guess too is some species of Cordia.

Regards.
Dinesh

[shrikant ingalhalikar]

Vallaris solanacea (heynei) climber flowering on a medium sized tree
of Cordia dichotoma (myxa). Regards, Shrikant

On May 10, 4:34 pm, "Aarti S. Khale" <aarti.kh...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Pardeshi S.]

Hello all
it is
Cordia domestica Roth., Nov. Pl. Sp. 123, 1821; Almeida, Fl. Mah. 3:
295, 2001; Singh et al, Fl. Mah. St. 2: 417, 2001.
Synonyms: C. myxa L. var. domestica Cl. in Hook.f., FI. Brit. Ind. 4:
140, 1883. C. fulvosa Wt. Icon. t. 1380, 1850; Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay
2: 267, 1958 (Repr.)
i collected it from Bangur nagar, Goregaon, Mumbai and subsequently
observed it at VJBU, opposite office.
here is a key for distinguishing the species
1. Corolla white.....................................................2
2. Fruiting calyx not ribbed....................................3
3. Filament hairy at base; Fruit up to 2.5 cm...........C.
dichotoma
3. Filament glabrous; Fruit up to 1.2 cm long...........C. sinensis
2. Fruiting calyx ribbed ..........................................C.
domestica
1. Corolla orange......................................................
4
4. Leaves rough; Ripe fruit white...............................C.
sebastina
4. Leaves not rough; Ripe fruit brown.........................C.
subcordata

Regards
satish pardeshi

On May 11, 4:47 pm, shrikant ingalhalikar <le...@rediffmail.com>
wrote:

[Aarti S. Khale]

Dear Satish ji,
Thanks a lot for the id.
Regards,
Aarti

[H S]

Satish sir i think plant is Cordia sinensis, there are many trees in the gardens of this species... one at the corner of the office and one near the Gustavia tree....

there is Vallaris only on Lion cage in Rani baug....

 

 - H.S.

A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Vallaris solanacea (heynei) climber flowering on a medium sized tree
of Cordia dichotoma (myxa). Regards, Shrikant”

 

“it is

Cordia domestica Roth., Nov. Pl. Sp. 123, 1821; Almeida, Fl. Mah. 3:
295, 2001; Singh et al, Fl. Mah. St. 2: 417, 2001.
Synonyms: C. myxa L. var. domestica Cl. in Hook.f., FI. Brit. Ind. 4:
140, 1883. C. fulvosa Wt. Icon. t. 1380, 1850; Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay
2: 267, 1958 (Repr.)
i collected it from Bangur nagar, Goregaon, Mumbai and subsequently
observed it at VJBU, opposite office.
 here is a key for distinguishing the species
1. Corolla white.....................................................2
 2. Fruiting calyx not ribbed....................................3
 3. Filament hairy at base; Fruit up to 2.5 cm...........C. dichotoma
 3. Filament glabrous; Fruit up to 1.2 cm long...........C. sinensis
 2. Fruiting calyx ribbed ..........................................C. domestica
1. Corolla orange......................................................
4
 4. Leaves rough; Ripe fruit white...............................C. sebastina
 4. Leaves not rough; Ripe fruit brown.........................C. subcordata

Regards
satish pardeshi”

 

“Satish sir i think plant is Cordia sinensis, there are many trees in the gardens of this species... one at the corner of the office and one near the Gustavia tree....

there is Vallaris only on Lion cage in Rani baug.... 

 - H.S.”

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Vallaris solanacea(heynei) climber flowering on a medium sized tree

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[H S]

hello, i do not think its Vallaris, leaves are not opposite here, to me it look like Cordia.., in Victoria garden Vallaris is present on Lion cage.... 

Arti ji pls if you can give us the exact location in Victoria garden, it would be easy to identify the small tree...

regards,

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[Gurcharan Singh]

I think Shrikant ji has made it very clear. There are two plants in this photograph, a tree Cordia dichotoma which is not flowering and a climber Vallaris solanacea, which is flowering and the object of this identification.

So the identification of Flowering plant should go as Vallaris solanacea.

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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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[Aarti S. Khale]

H S ji,

When you are going towards the Nursery, you have the offices on your right. Just before the offices begin, on the right itself is this small tree.

Had been there a couple of days ago, saw the tree, no flowers now.

There is a Sita asoka tree on the left, just opposite it on the right a little inside the road.

I don't think any climber is growing on it.

Regards,

Aarti

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:12 PM, H S <hems...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Aarti S. Khale]

Satish ji,

Thanks for finally confirming the id.

Regards,

Aarti

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Satish N. Pardeshi <satishp...@gmail.com> wrote:

hello all
the flowering plant in picture is Cordia domestica>> the leaves and
the buds clearly indicated towards cordia.
http://iscmumbai.maharashtra.gov.in/Fig570-584.htm

the leaves of Vallaris solanacea are acute which is not the case here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vallaris_solanacea_(Vish_Vallari)_in_Hyderabad_W_IMG_8236.jpg.
Aarti ji the location which you are referring is the same where i
observed Cordia domestica at VJBU.

regards
satish pardeshi

--
EACH ONE.... PLANT ONE...
Satish Pardeshi
Plant Taxonomist
Mumbai, Pune

[H S]

sorry, but there is no two object in the photo, its an Cordia sinensis, and not C. dichotoma... according to the location provided by Aarti ji, and i know that no climber growing on that tree..

those who are confused please check the photo again..

even i request Artiji to upload more photos or give more information if any climber growing on tree..

regards,

[Dr Pankaj Kumar]

I think H S is right. There is only one plant in the pic. What ever it
is!!! :)
Regards
Pankaj

On Nov 23, 5:46 pm, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sorry, but there is no two object in the photo, its an Cordia sinensis, and
> not C. dichotoma... according to the location provided by Aarti ji, and i
> know that no climber growing on that tree..
>
> those who are confused please check the photo again..
>
> even i request Artiji to upload more photos or give more information if any
> climber growing on tree..
>
> regards,
>

> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Aarti S. Khale <aarti.kh...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > Satish ji,
> > Thanks for finally confirming the id.
> > Regards,
> > Aarti
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> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Satish N. Pardeshi <
> > satishparde...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> hello all
> >> the flowering plant in picture is Cordia domestica>> the leaves and
> >> the buds clearly indicated towards cordia.
> >>http://iscmumbai.maharashtra.gov.in/Fig570-584.htm
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> >> the leaves of Vallaris solanacea are acute which is not the case here
>

> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vallaris_solanacea_(Vish_Vallari)_i...

> >> .
> >> Aarti ji the location which you are referring is the same where i
> >> observed Cordia domestica at VJBU.
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> >> regards
> >> satish pardeshi
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> >> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Aarti S. Khale <aarti.kh...@gmail.com>

> >> wrote:
> >> > H S ji,
> >> > When you are going towards the Nursery, you have the offices on your
> >> right.
> >> > Just before the offices begin, on the right itself is this small tree.
> >> > Had been there a couple of days ago, saw the tree, no flowers now.
> >> > There is a Sita asoka tree on the left, just opposite it on the right a
> >> > little inside the road.
> >> > I don't think any climber is growing on it.
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Aarti
>

> >> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:12 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> hello, i do not think its Vallaris, leaves are not opposite here, to
> >> me it
> >> >> look like Cordia.., in Victoria garden Vallaris is present on Lion
> >> cage....
> >> >> Arti ji pls if you can give us the exact location in Victoria garden,
> >> it
> >> >> would be easy to identify the small tree...
> >> >> regards,
>

> >> >>> J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)

> >> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
> >> >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
> >> >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand
> >> species &
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> >> >>> alphabetically & place-wise):
> >> >>>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also
> >> use them
> >> >>> for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
> >> >>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian
> >> Flora,
> >> >>> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group:

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[Gurcharan Singh]

If this plant id Cordia sinensis, then what is this??

http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/image-display.php?species_id=148260&image_id=2

http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/image-display.php?species_id=148260&image_id=1

Surely the two are different

In Cordia sinensis (syn: C. gharaf Forssk; C. rothii Roem. & sch.), corolla lobes are much narrower, 4 in number and reflexed. The above plant seems to have 5, much broader corolla lobes which are spreading. lso flower are too large for cordia.

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=91875&flora_id=5

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[H S]

looking into more details, it look more closer to Cordia myxa, i thought C. myxa and C. sinensis are synonyms but after going through details i saw different characters of both the species..

http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000418702

regards,

[Satish N. Pardeshi]

Kindly have a look at Cordia sinensis; observe the leaves in the
following link and compare it with the pic in the post
http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?lang=en&action=showfile&fileid=50306
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cordia_sinensis.jpg

i am adding few pic of Cordia domestica (not cordia dichotoma) which i
have pictured of the same plant at VJBU and at Bangur nagar Goregaon.

also please observe
http://iscmumbai.maharashtra.gov.in/Fig570-584.htm
http://iscmumbai.maharashtra.gov.in/Fig585-599.htm

regards
Satish Pardeshi

[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks H S and Satish ji for your efforts. We seem to be reaching somewhere. It looks similar to C. domestica

http://iscmumbai.maharashtra.gov.in/Fig570-584.htm

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Ushadi micromini]

Aarti: I am impressed with your recollection of the location of the
tree...

with this kind of observation power you'll never get lost in a
Forrest , no need for bread crumbs like Hansel and Gretel...

Usha di

On Nov 20, 6:33 pm, "Aarti S. Khale" <aarti.kh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> H S ji,
> When you are going towards the Nursery, you have the offices on your right.
> Just before the offices begin, on the right itself is this small tree.
> Had been there a couple of days ago, saw the tree, no flowers now.
> There is a Sita asoka tree on the left, just opposite it on the right a
> little inside the road.
> I don't think any climber is growing on it.
> Regards,
> Aarti
>
>

...................Usha di

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> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:12 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hello, i do not think its Vallaris, leaves are not opposite here, to me it
> > look like Cordia.., in Victoria garden Vallaris is present on Lion cage....
>
> > Arti ji pls if you can give us the exact location in Victoria garden, it
> > would be easy to identify the small tree...
>
> > regards,
>

> >> J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)

> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
> >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

> >> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged

> >> alphabetically & place-wise):
> >>http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use
> >> them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
> >> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora,
> >> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group:

> >>http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix(more than 1740 members &

> >> 90,000 messages on 31/10/11) or Efloraofindia website:

> >>https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/(with a species database

[Ushadi micromini]

Dear All: I agree with HS And Pankaj... ONLY ONE PLANT / TREE in
this photo.

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> > >> members &
> > >> >>> 90,000 messages on 31/10/11) or Efloraofindia website:

> > >> >>>https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/(witha species database

> > >> >>> of more than 6000 species).
> > >> >>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of
> > >> >>> India'.
>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >>  - H.S.
> > >> >> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere
> > >> heart of
> > >> >> stone
>
> > >> --
> > >> EACH ONE.... PLANT ONE...
> > >> Satish Pardeshi
> > >> Plant Taxonomist
> > >> Mumbai, Pune
>
> > --
> >  - H.S.
>
> > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of
> > stone

=========USHA DI
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[Aarti S. Khale]

Thanks Usha di.

It is not only this particular tree, but all the others that I have photographed at Jijamata Udyan or elsewhere, I know their exact locations.

If you recollect during our family visit to Kashmir, on way to Sonamarg, I saw this tiny bunch of Bluebells growing in the rocks.Couldn't stop then, but on our way back I could locate them as I had kept the location in mind & take a few pictures.

All my ids are based on my sense of sight & memory....things like bark, leaf pattern & other things go way above my head....really not good at them.

Breadcrumbs will be eaten, then how do we find our way back?

Regards,

Aarti

[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks Aarti ji for your valuable information. The focus of attention is the branch with flowers, and if this belongs to tree in question, I think we should be exploring further with what Satish Pardesi has suggested. Let us go further from there and forget about two plant theory.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[ushadi Micromini]

Very good...  Aarti...
And Gurcharanji, I agree with you

Usha di
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============usha di=====================

[Aarti S. Khale]

Dear all,

Adding two more pictures taken recently at the same place in Jijamata Udyan for identification.

Aarti 

[J.M. Garg]

This is Cordia lutea Lam. (Cultivated) as per images and details herein and as per Flora of Peninsular India. 

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From: Aarti S. Khale <aarti...@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 at 17:04
Subject: [efloraofindia:69148] Tree for ID : 100511 : AK-1
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Taken at Jijamata Udyan or Rani Baug, Mumbai, Maharashtra on the 10th
of April, 2008.
A medium sized tree with tiny white flowers.
Aarti

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

This is Cordia lutea Lam. (Cultivated) as per images and details herein and as per Flora of Peninsular India. 

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Aarti S. Khale]

Thanks Garg Ji.

Regards,

Aarti