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shobha chavda

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04-Sep-2010, 7:13:07 am04/09/10
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Can anyone help me in identifying this plant?   

 

 

Date / Time – 21st Aug. 2010 / 10.00 am.

Location – Place /Altitude / GPS – Amboli

Habitat – Garden/ Urban/ Wild / Type – Wild

Plant Habit – Tree/Shrub / Climber /Herb – Shrub

Height /Length –  2-3ft

Leaves Type / Shape / Size –

Inflorescence Type /Size –

Flowers Size /Colour /Calyx –

Fruits Type /Shape /Size / Seeds –

Other Information like Fragrance,Pollinator,Uses etc –

 

Regards,

Shobha

 

 

 

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Gurcharan Singh

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04-Oct-2010, 9:46:52 pm04/10/10
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Resurfacing again for ID

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Vijayasankar

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04-Oct-2010, 10:42:57 pm04/10/10
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Probably, Mappia foetida (Nothapodytes nimmoniana).

Regards

Vijayasankar


Neil Soares

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05-Oct-2010, 12:10:28 am05/10/10
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Hi Prof. Singh,
 It looks like some species of Pavetta.
                    Regards,
                      Neil Soares.

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Satish Phadke

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05-Oct-2010, 6:49:59 am05/10/10
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Sorry to say but I think We should close this thread.
It is difficult to attempt an ID even when many features are visible; here I think only leaves are visible. Anybody attempting an ID is mere guessing with one visible character,considering the two responses we got. I think it will be worthwhile to wait for some character to develop on the plant such as flower or fruit.
Shobha ji I don't want to discourage you or anybody to post on the group but it would be helpful to post a plant with at least two or more clear morphological characters in the picture for suggestion of a pictorial ID what we are doing here on the group.
Luckily we have such  great experts in the group that many a times tiniest characters have been  searched by them even from simple pictures.That is not possible every time.
Dr Phadke

shrikant ingalhalikar

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05-Oct-2010, 7:14:52 am05/10/10
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I agree with Neilji on Pavetta crassicaulis. Nothapodytes should have
been in flowers. I also agree with Satishji on 'wanting'
information..Regards, Shrikant
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arvind kadus

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05-Oct-2010, 1:24:12 pm05/10/10
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I think this is Nothapodytes nimmoniana i.e. Narakya.
Leaves are with tiny holes, which probably seen in Narakya only.
Pavetta leaf for comparison.
Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune.

Nothapodytes nimmoniana.JPG
Pavetta leaf.JPG

tanay bose

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05-Oct-2010, 2:54:35 pm05/10/10
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Dear Arvind Ji,
I think your plant is Nothapodytes nimmoniana but having holes in the leaves is not diagonistic to this plant. Theseholes may be dure to insect or fungal invasion! Kindly check couple of more photos from the link provided below, an intact plant doesn't have these holes.
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Navendu

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06-Oct-2010, 2:34:16 am06/10/10
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the leaves are clustered at the end of the branches and are not
opposite, so it should be Mappia foetida.

navendu

On Oct 5, 11:54 pm, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Arvind Ji,
> I think your plant is Nothapodytes nimmoniana but having holes in the leaves
> is not diagonistic to this plant. Theseholes may be dure to insect or fungal
> invasion! Kindly check couple of more photos from the link provided below,
> an intact plant doesn't have these holes.http://www.biotik.org/india/species/n/nothnimm/nothnimm_en.html
> Regards
> Tanay
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:54 PM, arvind kadus <agastiayur...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>
> >   I think this is Nothapodytes nimmoniana i.e. Narakya.
> > Leaves are with tiny holes, which probably seen in Narakya only.
> > Pavetta leaf for comparison.
> > Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune.
>
> --
> *Tanay Bose*

Dr. Arvind Kadus

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06-Oct-2010, 6:21:16 am06/10/10
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Dear Tanay Ji, I know this is not a sign for ID, but I said probably
seen in Mappia foetida.
Almost 90% of the photoes on your thread also showing this feature.
Only tender leaves are not showing. Also one thing is that Branches
are having small white dotts which may be absent in Pavetta. Pavetta
leaf held against sunlight shows bacterial glands. Which are absent in
Mappia foetida.
Thanx.
Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune.
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Dinesh Valke

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07-Oct-2010, 2:19:57 am07/10/10
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Nothapodytes nimmoniana (syn. Mappia foetida, Nothapodytes foetida, Stemonurus foetidus, Premna nimmoniana) ... is commonly known as: fetid tree, stinking plant • Kannada: ದುರ್ವಾಸನೆ ಮರ durvaasane mara • Konkani: घाणेरा ghanera • Malayalam: പീനാറി pinaari • Marathi: घाणेरा ghanera, नरक्या narkya • Tamil: அரளி arali, பில்லிபிச்சு pillipiccu



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J.M. Garg

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

I think your plant is Nothapodytes nimmoniana but having holes in the leaves is not diagonistic to this plant. Theseholes may be dure to insect or fungal invasion! Kindly check couple of more photos from the link provided below, an intact plant doesn't have these holes.
http://www.biotik.org/india/species/n/nothnimm/nothnimm_en.html
Regards
Tanay”

 

“the leaves are clustered at the end of the branches and are not


opposite, so it should be Mappia foetida.

navendu”

 

“Dear Tanay Ji, I know this is not a sign for ID, but I said probably


seen in Mappia foetida.
Almost 90% of the photoes on your thread also showing this feature.
Only tender leaves are not showing. Also one thing is that Branches
are having small white dotts which may be absent in Pavetta. Pavetta
leaf held against sunlight shows bacterial glands. Which are absent in
Mappia foetida.
Thanx.

Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune.”

 
"Nothapodytes nimmoniana (syn. Mappia foetida, Nothapodytes foetida, Stemonurus foetidus, Premna nimmoniana) ... is commonly known as: fetid tree, stinking plant • Kannada: ದುರ್ವಾಸನೆ ಮರ durvaasane mara • Konkani: घाणेरा ghanera • Malayalam: പീനാറി pinaari • Marathi: घाणेरा ghanera, नरक्या narkya • Tamil: அரளி arali, பில்லிபிச்சு pillipiccu" from Dinesh ji
 
""As per The Plant List, there are two different accepted species as below:
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50249349 (Nothapodytes foetida (Wight) Sleumer  Syn: Mappia foetida (Wight) Miers)
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50323224 (Nothapodytes nimmoniana (J. Graham) Mabb.)
What's the correct name for the posted species ?" from me."

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ajinkya gadave

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 Nothapodytes nimmoniana 100%

H S

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17-Jun-2011, 9:36:31 am17/06/11
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Yes it is Nothapodytes nimmoniana (Graham) Mabb. (syn. Mappia foetida)
from family Icacinaceae
Locally Narkya in Maharashtra,,,
illegally seeds and barks of the plant are exported from the forest as
they are used in disease Cancer. (Alkaloid Camptothecin is extracted)

regards,

On 6/16/11, ajinkya gadave <ajinky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> * **Nothapodytes nimmoniana 100%*
> *
> *


> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:00 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
>>
>> Some earlier relevant feedback:
>>

>> “*I think your plant is Nothapodytes nimmoniana* but having holes in the


>> leaves is not diagonistic to this plant. Theseholes may be dure to insect
>> or
>> fungal invasion! Kindly check couple of more photos from the link provided
>> below, an intact plant doesn't have these holes.
>> http://www.biotik.org/india/species/n/nothnimm/nothnimm_en.html
>> Regards
>> Tanay”
>>
>>
>>
>> “the leaves are clustered at the end of the branches and are not

>> opposite, so it *should be Mappia foetida*.


>>
>> navendu”
>>
>>
>>
>> “Dear Tanay Ji, I know this is not a sign for ID, but I said probably
>> seen in Mappia foetida.
>> Almost 90% of the photoes on your thread also showing this feature.
>> Only tender leaves are not showing. Also one thing is that Branches
>> are having small white dotts which may be absent in Pavetta. Pavetta
>> leaf held against sunlight shows bacterial glands. Which are absent in
>> Mappia foetida.
>> Thanx.
>> Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune.”
>>

>> "*Nothapodytes nimmoniana (syn. Mappia foetida*, Nothapodytes foetida,


>> Stemonurus foetidus, Premna nimmoniana) ... is commonly known as: fetid
>> tree, stinking plant • Kannada: ದುರ್ವಾಸನೆ ಮರ durvaasane mara • Konkani:
>> घाणेरा ghanera • Malayalam: പീനാറി pinaari • Marathi: घाणेरा ghanera,
>> नरक्या
>> narkya • Tamil: அரளி arali, பில்லிபிச்சு pillipiccu" from Dinesh ji
>>

>> ""As per The Plant List, *there are two different accepted species *as
>> below:
>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50249349 (*Nothapodytes foetida
>> * (Wight) Sleumer Syn: Mappia foetida (Wight) Miers)
>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50323224 (*Nothapodytes
>> nimmoniana* (J. Graham) Mabb.)


>> What's the correct name for the posted species ?" from me."
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: arvind kadus <agasti...@yahoo.co.in>
>> Date: 5 October 2010 22:54
>> Subject: [efloraofindia:49551] Request for ID – 040910SC1
>> To: indian...@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> I think this is Nothapodytes nimmoniana i.e. Narakya.
>> Leaves are with tiny holes, which probably seen in Narakya only.
>> Pavetta leaf for comparison.
>> Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> J.M.Garg (jmg...@gmail.com)
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>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* &


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>> for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
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>> around 5000 species)
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>>
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Thanks, Alfred ji,
But both these plants are different  & not synonyms as per The Plant List as per detals below:
"As per The Plant List, these are two different accepted species as below:
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50249349 (Nothapodytes foetida (Wight) Sleumer  Syn: Mappia foetida (Wight) Miers)http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50323224 (Nothapodytes nimmoniana (J. Graham) Mabb.)"

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
Both the plants (Mappia foetida or Nothapodytes nimmoniana ) are different & not synonyms as per The Plant List as per detals below:

"As per The Plant List, these are two different accepted species as below:
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50249349 (Nothapodytes foetida (Wight) Sleumer  Syn: Mappia foetida (Wight) Miers)http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50323224 (Nothapodytes nimmoniana (J. Graham) Mabb.)
Thus, Is it Mappia foetida or Nothapodytes nimmoniana ?" from me
 
 
Some earlier relevant feedback:
“I think your plant is Nothapodytes nimmoniana but having holes in the leaves is not diagonistic to this plant. Theseholes may be dure to insect or fungal invasion! Kindly check couple of more photos from the link provided below, an intact plant doesn't have these holes. http://www.biotik.org/india/species/n/nothnimm/nothnimm_en.html
Regards
Tanay”
 
“the leaves are clustered at the end of the branches and are not opposite, so it should be Mappia foetida.

navendu”
 
“Dear Tanay Ji, I know this is not a sign for ID, but I said probably seen in Mappia foetida.
Almost 90% of the photoes on your thread also showing this feature. Only tender leaves are not showing. Also one thing is that Branches are having small white dotts which may be absent in Pavetta. Pavetta leaf held against sunlight shows bacterial glands. Which are absent in Mappia foetida.
Thanx.
Dr.Kadus Arvind,Pune.”
 
"Nothapodytes nimmoniana (syn. Mappia foetida, Nothapodytes foetida, Stemonurus foetidus, Premna nimmoniana) ... is commonly known as: fetid tree, stinking plant • Kannada: ದುರ್ವಾಸನೆ ಮರ durvaasane mara • Konkani: घाणेरा ghanera • Malayalam: പീനാറി pinaari • Marathi: घाणेरा ghanera, नरक्या narkya • Tamil: அரளி arali, பில்லிபிச்சு pillipiccu" from Dinesh ji
 
""As per The Plant List, there are two different accepted species as below:

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50249349 (Nothapodytes foetida (Wight) Sleumer  Syn: Mappia foetida (Wight) Miers)
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-50323224 (Nothapodytes nimmoniana (J. Graham) Mabb.)
What's the correct name for the posted species ?" from me."
"Yes it is Nothapodytes nimmoniana (Graham) Mabb. (syn. Mappia foetida)
from family Icacinaceae
Locally Narkya in Maharashtra,,,
illegally seeds and barks of the plant are exported from the forest as
they are used in disease Cancer. (Alkaloid Camptothecin is extracted)" from Alfred ji.
 
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