Rhodiola heterodonta in FOI

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Tabish ji,

Image of Rhodiola heterodonta in FOI by Thingnam ji, is of Rhodiola bupleuroides as per POWO specimen- one, Wikimedia Commons, and FOI

Looks different from R.heterodonta as per discussions at Rhodiola heterodonta from Paddar valley J&K

Pl. correct.

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J.M.Garg

[Tabish]

Thanks for the fresh scrutiny Garg ji. The specimen photographed by Girija is in the fruiting stage - it was photographed in August. You can compare the fruits of Rhodiola heterodonta and Rhodiola bupleuroides with the closeup image of the same specimen here:

  http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=44098&flora_id=2

  http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=12126&flora_id=2

  Best wishes

  Tabish

[J.M. Garg]

Flora of China illustrations, which Is have seen earlier, are misleading as they may have been made for their population and for some name which may have been synonymised subsequently. This has caused lot of confusion. Pl. compare with specimens from India in GBIF and POWO, some of which I have already given in the link and in the discussion threads.

Thingnam ji specimen from Valley of Flowers is otherwise also not matching with FoC illustration and matches with other observations from there of Rhodiola bupleuroides, including those in FOI.

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[Tabish]

Garg ji, for example I find Girija's plant very similar to the GBIF image of Rhodiola heterodonta  here:

  https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1936536925

In addition, the inflorescence of Rhodiola bupleuroides  do not appear as dense as in Girija's images, in whatever images of Rhodiola bupleuroides  I can see.

   Tabish

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Tabish ji,
May I Request you to post a high resolution image to see the details.

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[Tabish]

One closeup I already posted. The 2nd image, the one on FOI, is here

   Tabish

[J.M. Garg]

All the following observations of Rhodiola bupleuroides from Valley of Flowers given below match with those of Thingnam ji:
VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 – 0230 :: Rhodiola heterodonta at Valley of Flowers
VOF Week: Rhodiola heterodonta at VOF:
Flora of Uttarakhand- Herb30 for Id- JM
VoF Week: Rhodiola heterodonta from Valley:
Crassulaceae, Combretaceae and Myrtaceae Fortnight: Crassulaceae- Rhodiola heterodonta at VOF-PKA-DEC11: :
Crassulaceae, Combretaceae and Myrtaceae Fortnight:: Crassulaceae:: Rhodiola heterodonta from VOF- NS 19 
Crassulaceae, Combretaceae and Myrtaceae Fortnight:: Crassulaceae:: Rhodiola bupleuroides? from VOF- NS 26

Carpels also match.

Pl. see close ups at 
VoF Week :: DV :: 02 AUG 12 – 0230 :: Rhodiola heterodonta at Valley of Flowers
VOF Week: Rhodiola heterodonta at VOF:

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[Tabish]

Clearly we all got the same plant from the Valley of Flowers, and everyone seems to have got the fruiting stage. I think you may be right here. I am attaching a close up of flowers we found in another trip in June.

   Cheers!

   Tabish

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Tabish ji

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