ID request 140316SG-A

[Gopal Shinde]

Requesting ID of this weed, Spreading about 1’, Photo taken on 14Mar16 at Solapur, Maharashtra.

Gopal

[Aarti S. Khale]

Looks like Indigofera linifolia.

Please wait for experts to comment.

Aarti 

[Ushadi Micromini]

not

the leaf shape ( and possibly size , cant say since no measurements are given)

does not support  the dx

usha di

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[Samir Mehta]

Agree with Aarti ji.

Leaves one foliate, fruit one-seed. Pods silvery white (very characteristic) and small (< 5mm). Leaves here are not linear but are a variation, obovate (ssp campbelli?)

I went through my collection and realized I had never seen Indigofera linifolia after December. My sighting were all immediately post monsoon until about end november - early december.

Comments welcome.

Regards,

Samir Mehta

P.S.: Checked with Fl MH (Almeida) wrt flowering / fruiting for ssp campelli and it says 'Aug to March!

[Aarti S. Khale]

Samir Ji,

Hearing from you after a very long while.

Thanks for supporting my suggested id.

I had seen this small plant on 23rd Oct,15 at a Govt Plant Nursery in Nasik.

Regards,

Aarti

[Samir Mehta]

'Hearing from you after a very long while.'

Hibernating Aarti ji.

'Thanks for supporting my suggested id.'

Always Welcome.

[Aarti S. Khale]

Thanks Samir Ji.

Regards,

Aarti

[Satish Phadke]

Thanks for showing these pictures.

Yes the first thought which came to me after the reply was about the shape of leaves which is not linear.

But I checked the detailed explanantion from Samir which is logically right.

I do remember photographing similar pictures in Dec/Jan. wondering about which species it can be.

Considering the location and abundant nature I think the ID is right. Will share my pictures after checking.

Dr Satish Phadke

[Gopal Shinde]

Thank you all. By the way, the weed was found in a newly planted mango orchard, where top soil from outside added and was under drip irrigation.

Gopal

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Samir Satish and Aarti

Thanks for this conversation  

I am still not convinced.

Look at this link...

the picture is by our own Prashant Awale....

do you folks see the difference in the leaves????

The write up on that page about the leaf is :

I quote " Nearly stalkless leaves are narrow, linear to oblong-lanceolate, 20-45 x 2-4 mm, sharp-tipped, appressed-pubescent on both surfaces." end quote

I really do not see in the present pictures narrow long leaves nor is there a visual clue to the ends being POINTED...

does any one of  you see it?  or other members??

ALSO

My question

can there be such a wide variation in the overall leaf anatomy ???

if there is

and it is documented

i will love to hear from you  and see the paper.

Until such time (when you can send in references)

this may not be Indigofera linifolia

OH before i forget...

if flowers of India ID is not correct then I am sure Tabish would like to be informed as well.

thanks

Usha di

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:25 AM, Satish Phadke <drsmp...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Reading some  ...

my new question

could the variation in leaf be accommodated... since this plant seems to have these single round berry type fruits?

is there a scholarly paper somewhere ?

thankas

usha di

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[Gopal Shinde]

Dear All,

Thank you all, I am sending additional images taken two days after previous, which may assist you to proper ID. There were three such plants spaced in a patch of 20-25 ft.  

Gopal

[Ushadi Micromini]

Gopal Thanks

so leaves are now  a bit longer and in one (in first picture, new batch) and two  in picture two, new batch seem have a pointed slightly brownish "tip" .... may be the pointed ended longish leaves of the description???

lets wait for some botanist/taxonomist with credentials to tell me if this  is really I.  linifolia...

I would be really very helpful to get a description paper.

thank you again for being a sport and taking this set of follow up photographs.

by the way its (inddigofera linifolia)  been wiped out of Rajasthan by overgrazing ....

i hope this population is not endangered where it is.

Usha di

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[Ushadi Micromini]

ps that was an interesting use of  a note for size comparison.. I have not seen anybody do that in recent times.  Not in India at least.

wonderfully creative of you. Gopal

Usha di

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[Ushadi Micromini]

regarding id of an indigofera

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gopal Shinde <drshin...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:240929] Re: ID request 140316SG-A
To: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>

Thanks Usha di, 

You had mentioned something about size in previous post. The note was handy.

Gopal

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[Ushadi Micromini]

regarding id of an indigofera ....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gopal Shinde <drshin...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:240929] Re: ID request 140316SG-A
To: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>

Thanks Usha di, 

You had mentioned something about size in previous post. The note was handy.

Gopal

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Gopal

that case is validated upon resurfacing by both Satish Pardesi and Viplav Gangar  , so i am sure that's what it is...

may be they can look at this case too.

can we ask/request  them?

thanks

usha di

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Gopal Shinde <drshin...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, a specimen was posted on Sep14 (180914SG) and was identified as Indigofera linifolia (L.f.) Retz. It was found about hundred Km apart the present.   Hope, its population is not threatened.

Gopal

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Gopal Shinde <drshin...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Usha di, 

You had mentioned something about size in previous post. The note was handy.

Gopal

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[Satish N. Pardeshi]

Dear Usha di and Gopal jee,

i again observed the 3 picx provided, the leaf although appears to be more linear than what is in a common I.linifolia specimen, i am pretty sure the plant in question is I. linifolia.   the fruit is globular which confirms the identity. other globuar fruit in  Indigofera is of I. glandulosa, however it has tri-foliate leaves.

following key may be of help

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=116399

also find morphology of fruit of Indigofera in the pic

and Indigofera linifolia specimen observed at Mumbai by me.

regards

 Satish Pardeshi

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EACH ONE.... PLANT ONE...

Satish Pardeshi
Plant Taxonomist  

Mumbai, Pune

[Ushadi Micromini]

Wonderful,Dear Satish

Thanks for the composite picture and your  pictures they show

the best way to depict the fruits

appreciate the key

usha di

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