Fwd: Cassine

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding request from Dr. Robert Archer as below:

"Dear Mr. Garg
I would be grateful for any photos, flowers, leaves and fruit, also of the bark of the species of Cassine occurring in India according to Kostermans in Garden Bull. Sing. 178 (1978). According to him there are three, Cassine grossa, Cassine paniculata and Cassine albens but I am not really sure of the correctness of his paper.

With best wishes
Robert"

As per my knowledge, some images of Cassine glauca were sent by Neil ji in the thread:

http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/e7618e541371f5e7
& mentioned by Advanne ji in his post "Mysore Birding Diary (31): June 2009"
 

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From: Robert Archer <Arc...@sanbi.org>
Date: 2009/9/7
Subject: Re: Cassine
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>


Dear Mr. Garg

I would be grateful for any photos, flowers, leaves and fruit, also of the bark of the species of Cassine occurring in India according to Kostermans in Garden Bull. Sing. 178 (1978). According to him there are three, Cassine grossa, Cassine paniculata and Cassine albens but I am not really sure of the correctness of his paper.

With best wishes

Robert

Dr. Robert H. Archer
Scientist, National Herbarium
South African National Biodiversity Institute
Private Bag X101, PRETORIA, 0001, South Africa
Tel (012) 843 5000, Direct Tel. (012) 843 5043 Fax (012) 804-3211
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>>> "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com> 2009/09/07 01:36 PM >>>

Hi, Robert ji,
I am not clear as to what you are exactly looking for as".... any
information on Indian Cassine (Or Elaeodendron following Kosterman's
treatment." is not clear.
Pl. clarify.


2009/9/7 Robert Archer <Arc...@sanbi.org>

> Dear Mr. Garg
>
> I am keenly looking for any information on Indian Cassine (Or Elaeodendron
> following Kosterman's treatment. I wonder if you could put me in touch with
> anyone interested in the Celastraceae family.
>
> With best wishes
>
> Robert
>
> Dr. Robert H. Archer
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[Neil Soares]

Hi Dr.Archer,   According to Dr.M.R.Almeida's 'Flora of Maharashtra'  2 species of Cassine occur here.They are:    1. C.glauca. & 2. C.paniculata.   At my farm at Shahapur near Bombay, I have a few trees of C.glauca. Sending you a few photographs of the same.                                With regards,                                  Neil Soares. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[santhosh kumar es]

-Dear Dr Archer,

 

There is another species of Cassine described from Kerala from Silent Valley National Park by Dr Sasidharan and Dr Swarupanandan : Cassine kedarnathii (A new species of Cassine (Celastraceae) from India. Reinwardtia 11(1): 29-32.1992). I do not have any photograph of the same.

 

Thanks

 

Dr Santhosh

2009/9/7 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

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[Robert]

Dear Neil ji

Thank you very much. This is very valuable for me. Would you know what
the colour of the ripe fruit is?

With best wishes

Robert

On Sep 8, 8:03 pm, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Dr.Archer,
>   According to Dr.M.R.Almeida's 'Flora of Maharashtra'  2 species of Cassine occur here.They are:
>    1. C.glauca.
> & 2. C.paniculata.
>   At my farm at Shahapur near Bombay, I have a few trees of C.glauca. Sending you a few photographs of the same.
>                                With regards,
>                                  Neil Soares.
>

> --- On Mon, 9/7/09, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> From: J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [indiantreepix:17868] Fwd: Cassine
> To: "indiantreepix" <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> Cc: "Neil Soares" <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>, "Robert" <Arc...@sanbi.org>, "adavanne shivaprakash" <adavanne2...@yahoo.co.in>
> Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:24 PM
>
> Forwarding request from Dr. Robert Archer as below:
> "Dear Mr. Garg
> I would be grateful for any photos, flowers, leaves and fruit, also of the bark of the species of Cassine occurring in India according to Kostermans in Garden Bull. Sing. 178 (1978). According to him there are three, Cassine grossa, Cassine paniculata and Cassine albens but I am not really sure of the correctness of his paper.
>
> With best wishes
> Robert"
>

> As per my knowledge, some images of Cassine glauca were sent by Neil ji in the thread:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/e...

> & mentioned by Advanne ji in his post "Mysore Birding Diary (31): June 2009"
>  
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Robert Archer <Arc...@sanbi.org>
> Date: 2009/9/7
> Subject: Re: Cassine
> To: "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Mr. Garg
>
> I would be grateful for any photos, flowers, leaves and fruit, also of the bark of the species of Cassine occurring in India according to Kostermans in Garden Bull. Sing. 178 (1978). According to him there are three, Cassine grossa, Cassine paniculata and Cassine albens but I am not really sure of the correctness of his paper.
>
> With best wishes
>
> Robert
>
> Dr. Robert H. Archer
> Scientist, National Herbarium
> South African National Biodiversity Institute
> Private Bag X101, PRETORIA, 0001, South Africa
> Tel (012) 843 5000, Direct Tel. (012) 843 5043 Fax (012) 804-3211http://www.sanbi.org
>

> >>> "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> 2009/09/07 01:36 PM >>>

> > The disclaimer is located athttp://www.sanbi.org/email.htm
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> With regards,
> J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1

> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
> Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc.
> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise):http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg
> For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en
>
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[Swagat]

Dear all,

 

'Cassine glauca' is called 'Bhutya' 'भुत्‍या'  in Marahti.

'Cassine paniculata' is called 'Motha Bhutya' 'मोठा भुत्‍या' in Marathi.

 

Regards,

~Swagat

9223217568

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2009/9/7 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

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[Robert Archer]

Dear Dr. Santhos

Thank you very much. I found the journal in our library. It is a fascinating tree, with a massive hollow trunk of 13 m. I would very much like to get more information about this tree. Is there any other plants of this tree?

I noticed Dr Sasidharan and Dr Swarupanandan refer to Cassine albens following Kostermans. But everyone refer to this tree as Cassine glauca? Why?

With best wishes

Robert

Dr. Robert H. Archer
Scientist, National Herbarium
South African National Biodiversity Institute
Private Bag X101, PRETORIA, 0001, South Africa
Tel (012) 843 5000, Direct Tel. (012) 843 5043 Fax (012) 804-3211
http://www.sanbi.org

>>> santhosh kumar es <santhos...@gmail.com> 2009/09/09 06:25 AM >>>

-Dear Dr Archer,

There is another species of Cassine described from Kerala from Silent Valley
National Park by Dr Sasidharan and Dr Swarupanandan : Cassine kedarnathii (A
new species of Cassine (Celastraceae) from India. Reinwardtia 11(1):
29-32.1992). I do not have any photograph of the same.

Thanks

Dr Santhosh

2009/9/7 J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

> Forwarding request from Dr. Robert Archer as below:
> "Dear Mr. Garg
> I would be grateful for any photos, flowers, leaves and fruit, also of the
> bark of the species of Cassine occurring in India according to Kostermans in
> Garden Bull. Sing. 178 (1978). According to him there are three, Cassine
> grossa, Cassine paniculata and Cassine albens but I am not really sure of
> the correctness of his paper.
> With best wishes
> Robert"
>

> As per my knowledge, some images of *Cassine glauca* were sent by Neil ji

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[JM Garg]

Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please.

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Hi Dr.Archer, According to Dr.M.R.Almeida's 'Flora of Maharashtra' 2 species of Cassine occur here.They are: 1. C.glauca. & 2. C.paniculata. At my farm at Shahapur near Bombay, I have a few trees of C.glauca. Sending you a few photographs of the same. With regards, Neil Soares.

Dear Dr Archer,

There is another species of Cassine described from Kerala from Silent Valley National Park by Dr Sasidharan and Dr Swarupanandan : Cassine kedarnathii (A new species of Cassine (Celastraceae) from India. Reinwardtia 11(1): 29-32.1992). I do not have any photograph of the same. Thanks Dr Santhosh

Dear Neil ji

Thank you very much. This is very valuable for me. Would you know what the colour of the ripe fruit is? With best wishes Robert

Dear Dr. Santhosh

Thank you very much. I found the journal in our library. It is a fascinating tree, with a massive hollow trunk of 13 m. I would very much like to get more information about this tree. Is there any other plants of this tree? I noticed Dr Sasidharan and Dr Swarupanandan refer to Cassine albens following Kostermans. But everyone refer to this tree as Cassine glauca? Why? With best wishes Robert

I hope further feedback from Dr. Archer being an old thread of 2009 & in view of his views as below: As per efi thread: The names Elaeodendron and Cassine have been confused for centuries. However, my own research and DNA analysis proved that this plant is Elaeodendron. The genus Cassine with only 3 species, occur in South Africa and looks very different, both in flowers and fruit from Elaeodendron.