Selaginella sp for id

[Deepak Deshpande]

Location: South-west Maharashtra, Western ghats.

Date: Jan end 2022

Habitat: Wet rocks near waterfall. 

Habitus- growing laterally from rockface. Size 6cm.

I could not find any with strobili. Is it possible to id on leaf structure and arrangement alone, considering the distribution ? 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Deepak ji

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chris ji

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From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins <>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb, 2022, 3:44 am
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:414292] Selaginella sp for id
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

What fantastic, superb photos! - best Selaginella photo I've seen anywhere, clearly shows aristate median leaves and a very narrow pale margin to leaves, plus of course the strongly dimorphic sporophylls (might need one more of a strobilus from beneath to see cilia etc.?).  How did you take the photos and what camera?  If only others could take such good photos of Selaginella - you deserve a prize for excellent photographic service to Pteridology!

My first impression is Selaginella chrysorrhizos.  It is in that rather ticky group, anyway.  But tomorrow when I get more time I will study it more carefully and see if I still think that.  I did not know of S. chrysorrhizos from Maharashtra, but it is in M.P. and in Kerala, so could well (should!) be there.

Best wishes - I'm very impressed!

    Chris F.-J.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Deepak ji

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From: Deepak Deshpande <drdeepakde...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Feb, 2022, 8:30 am
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:414292] Selaginella sp for id
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Sir,

Thank you for the id, and your appreciation (though I don't feel that I really deserve it- I have a long way to go before I can take much better, clearer photos that show the exact features needed for the id).

I have added a few photos of a tropophyll from various angles that might show the exact features that you are looking for. (I am still trying to search for the exact meaning of 'dentate' and 'ciliate' features of the Macro and microsporophylls!)

PS- I am using a micro 4/3rd Olympus camera,with macro lens. The difference comes from using a good flash diffuser.

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Deepak Deshpande <drdeepakde...@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, 4 Feb, 2022, 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:414292] Selaginella sp for id
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

PS- please read Strobilus instead of tropophyll.

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 08:29, Deepak Deshpande <drdeepakde...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir,

Thank you for the id, and your appreciation (though I don't feel that I really deserve it- I have a long way to go before I can take much better, clearer photos that show the exact features needed for the id).

I have added a few photos of a tropophyll from various angles that might show the exact features that you are looking for. (I am still trying to search for the exact meaning of 'dentate' and 'ciliate' features of the Macro and microsporophylls!)

PS- I am using a micro 4/3rd Olympus camera,with macro lens. The difference comes from using a good flash diffuser.

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 06:12, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chris ji

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From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 12:29
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:414292] Selaginella sp for id
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Well the lighting is superb - most flash pictures don't show things all that well, against a dark background.    

About teeth, dentate means tootherd, the sides of the tooth meet at an acute apical pint, denticulate just small versions of dentation; aristate are teeth which then have extended linear tips, like a spine; ciliate are long narrow hair-like ptojections from the margin.  Sometimes one gets slightly intermediate states, but generally they are readily distinguishable as different kinds of teeth etc.

A good, close photo of the undersice of a strobilus shouled show the cilia or lack of them on megasporophylls and microsporophylls in these dimorphic strobili  - and whether ciliate at their bases etc.

Best,

    Chris F.-J.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chris ji

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From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins 

Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 12:32
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:414292] Selaginella sp for id
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

What place was it from - like the nearest small town?

Chris.

On Wednesday, 2 February 2022, 15:40:27 GMT, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chris ji

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From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins 
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 12:34
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:414292] Selaginella sp for id
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Ah yes, I did already!  Not to worry, I often get muddled with terms too!

Chris F.-J.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Deepak ji

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From: Deepak Deshpande 
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 17:02
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:414292] Selaginella sp for id
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

It is from Amboli ghat. 

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