Images of Solena amplexicaulis in FOI should be of Solena heterophylla Lour.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Tabish ji,

Images of Solena amplexicaulis in FOI should be of Solena heterophylla Lour.

as per Solena heterophylla Lour. & as per comparative images at ‎Solena in efi based on the following:

REVIEW OF THE GENUS SOLENA (CUCURBITACEAE)-  W.J.J.O. DE WILDE & B.E.E. DUYFJES- BLUMEA 49: 69–81 (2004) 

The Cucurbitaceae of India: Accepted names, synonyms, geographic distribution, and information on images and DNA sequences by Susanne S. Renner, Arun K. Pandey. (2013)

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Tabish ji

On 26 Jul 2016 19:04, "Flowers of India" <flowers...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Garg ji,

   Thanks for informing about the important update. The correction has been made:
 http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Cucumber.html

You may have to refresh your browser cache to see the changed page.

   Best wishes

   Tabish

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks Garg ji for reminding of this correction; I have revised my notes in my flickr account. I am sending a separate post related to compilation of this plant's regional names.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Dinesh ji.

[Tabish]

Dear Garg ji,

   Coming back to this old thread, I had made the correction back then. 

However, just wanted to point out that the abstract of the paper you pointed out, says:

 "The genus Solena Lour. is redefined, and its 3 species and 1 subspecies are keyed out and described:
S. amplexicaulis occurs in S India, S. heterophylla, with 2 subspecies is widespread, but does not
occur in S India ..."

Based on this, Dinesh's images from Maharashtra, which are also on FOI, should belong to Solena amplexicaulis.

   Tabish

[J.M. Garg]

Going by the fruit shape it should be 
https://efloraofindia.com/2016/07/26/solena-umbellata/

Fruit shape is different in 
https://efloraofindia.com/2016/02/17/solena-amplexicaulis/

Pl. see attached publication for fruit shapes. 

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks, Garg ji for attaching the publication; thanks Tabish for resurfacing the old post.

The first two photos showing flowers belong to observation dtd. July 11, 2010, ...will revise the ID to S. amplexicaulis.

... while the one showing the ridged fruit belongs to another,observation of July 14, 2012 which by now has been validated as Solena heterophylla by Prof. Dr. Hanno Schaefer and Radha Veach. Going through the publication attached by Garg ji does tell me that it ought to be Solena umbellata.

As of now, I do have one validated observation of Solena umbellata.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

"The first two photos showing flowers belong to observation dtd. July 11, 2010, ...will revise the ID to S. amplexicaulis."- Difficult to say without fruits. Only one observation so far in efi as per 
https://efloraofindia.com/2016/02/17/solena-amplexicaulis/ (Also it is found in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerala as per https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/1454/)

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[Tabish]

Thanks Dinesh and Garg ji,

   I updated the fruit image on FOI:

  https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Cucumber.html

PS: You may still see the old image from your browser cache unless it is refreshed.

  Tabish

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[J.M. Garg]

I still see the same images. 

I don't agree with the id. Pl. see 
https://efloraofindia.com/2016/02/17/solena-amplexicaulis/ (only one observation so far in our site- see the typical fruit). (Distribution is restricted to Tamilnadu, Karnataka and Kerala only). 

We should keep these images as 
https://efloraofindia.com/2016/07/26/solena-umbellata/ only. 

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[J.M. Garg]

I just saw the fruit image of Kasim ji added on the page (https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Creeping%20Cucumber.html), while Dinesh ji's images remain the same (which is most likely to be S.umbellata). So it is better if, even the images of leaves and immature fruits are put on the FOI page, deleting Dinesh ji's images. 

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[Tabish]

Since we do not have an image of the fruits in this observation, we have to sort it out on the basis of other features. Finally I got time to have a closer look at Dinesh's Solena images, and go through the paper of Wilde & Duyfjes. My summary is as follows:

                                    S. amplexicaulis                S. umbellata

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Male peduncle:              1-2 cm                             0-7 mm

Male bracts:                    absent or 1-2 mm,          1-2 mm long,

                                        falling off                         persistent

Flower size:                     3-4 mm                           3-5 mm

Flower-stalk:                    2-5 mm                           2-8 mm

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1. Flower-clusters of Dinesh's plant are clearly stalkless. In S. amplexicaulis they are 1-2 cm - much longer than the flower length of 3-4 mm.

2. In S. amplexicaulis the bracts are absent or fall off. Dinesh's plant does show bracts.

3. My earlier comment regarding flowers being mostly hairless in S. amplexicaulis is irrelevant because in these flowers the sepal-cup covers most of the flower, with only the tiny petals peeping out at the tip.

By virtue of stalkless flower-clusters and persistent bracts, I think Dinesh's plant should be Solena umbellata. Garg ji already thought it was likely to be S. umbellata.

   Tabish

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[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks, Garg ji and Tabish.

I will correct my notes accordingly.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Tabish ji, for the much deeper analysis. 

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