Adenanthera pavonina

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Satish Phadke

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Oct 10, 2009, 7:02:12 AM10/10/09
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Adenanthera pavonina
Indian Native tree with Medicinal properties.
Family: Mimosaceae.
Ratangunj.
Ferguson Road Pune 10 Oct 2009.
Dr Satish Phadke
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shubhada nikharge

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Oct 12, 2009, 11:12:03 AM10/12/09
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Satish ji,
beautiful pics.

Here is some interesting info about the seeds of Adenanthera pavonina from the book 'Trees of Mumbai' by Mr. Almeida and Mr. Chaturvedi.
"In old days, the seeds were used as weights by jewellers in Arebia (Aden) . Each seed roughly weighs 0.26 gm. The seeds are toxic to humans/animals. But, if the seed is eaten unbroken, it does not get digested and and is expelled without causing any harm to the consumer.
The seeds are twice as heavy as 'Gunj' or 'crab's eye' ( Arbus precatorius) seeds."


Gunj or Crab's eye ( Arbus precatorius) is a  twiner from the family Fabaceae.
i have uploaded pics of Gunj' ( Arbus precatorius) seeds. These seeds also when the external coat is removed are toxic  and if swallowed can be fatal.

Garg ji,
 i am aware i should not mix two diff. plants in the same email. But i wanted to highlight the similarity in seeds of both plants. so i changed the subject of the mail. is it correct or should i write a separate mail ?

cheers,
shubhada


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Satish Phadke

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Oct 12, 2009, 11:50:22 AM10/12/09
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Thanks Shubhada ji
Very good information. The Marathi name of both the species is same ....Gunj.(The tree variety is often called as Ratangunj) I don't think any body should object such discussions.
Regards
Satish

2009/10/12 shubhada nikharge <shubhada...@yahoo.co.in>



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shubhada nikharge

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Oct 13, 2009, 2:11:22 AM10/13/09
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Satish ji,
Another Marathi name for Adenanthera pavonina is Thorali Gunj - ' थोरली गुंज' . ( may be because it is a tree and Arbus precatorius is a twiner.)
cheers,
shubhada


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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 13, 2009, 2:22:43 AM10/13/09
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... would like to add their common names compiled from internet:
 
 

Adenanthera pavonina ...

commonly known as: acacia coral, barbados pride, coral bean tree, false wiliwili, peacock flower fence, red sandalwood, saga seed tree ••• Assamese: raktchandan ••• Bengali: রঞ্জন ranjana ••• Gujarati: બડી ગુમ્ચી badigumchi ••• Hindi: बड़ी गुम्ची badi gumchi, कुचन्दन kuchandana, रक्तचन्दन raktchandan, रंजना ranjana, रतनगुंज ratangunja ••• Kannada: ane golaganji, manjadi, munjuti ••• Konkani: होडी मंजोटी hodi manjoti, गूंज gunja, ओडलि गुंजी odlygunji ••• Malayalam: mancati, manchadi, sem ••• Marathi: रक्तचंदन raktachandana, रतनगुंज ratangunja, थोरला गुंज thorla gunja ••• Oriya: sokakainjo ••• Sanskrit: रक्तचन्दन raktachandana, ताम्रक tamraka, तिलक tilakah ••• Tamil: மஞ்சாடி manjati, திலம் tilam ••• Telugu: బండిగురువెంద bandiguruvenda, పెద్దగురుగింజ peddaguruginja
 
 
Abrus precatorius ... commonly known as: 'John Crow' bead, abrus seed, black-eyed susan, buddhist rosary bead, coral pea, coral bead plant, deadly crab's eye, indian bead, indian liquorice, jamaican licorice, jequerity seeds, jequirity bean, jumbie beads, licorice vine, love bean, lucky bean, prayer beads, precatory bean, red beadvine, rosary beads, rosary pea, weather plant, wild liquorice ••• Bengali: গুঞ্জা guñja, গুঞ্জিকা guñjika, কুঁচ kuncha ••• Gujarati: રત્તી ratti ••• Hindi: गुंची gunchi, गुञ्जा gunja, कूंच kunch, माषा masha, पाटहिका patahika, रत्ती ratti ••• Kannada: gunja, gulagunji ••• Konkani: मनजोटी manjoti ••• Malayalam: കുന്നി kunni ••• Marathi: गुंज gunja, मधुयष्टि madhuyashti, रती rati ••• Prakrit: रतिआ ratia ••• Sanskrit: गुंजा gunjaa, kakachinchi, मधुयष्टिका madhuyashtika, रक्तिका raktika, रती rati ••• Tamil: குந்து மணி kundu mani, குன் றி kun yi, குன்றிமணி kunyimni ••• Telugu: గుంజ gunja, గురిగింజ guriginja, రక్తిక raktika ••• Urdu: خاکشي khakshi, قيراط qirat, سرخ surkh
 
 
 
Regards.

sarbjeet Kaur

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Oct 13, 2009, 1:14:35 PM10/13/09
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Satish ji
I believe it's the same rati seeds which were used for weighing gold
when grams were not introduced.Rati used to be the smallest unit-seer-
shatank-tola-masa and rati, 8 rati = 1masa and 12masa=1 tola,
5tola=1shatank,and 16 shatank 1 seer
regards
sarbjeet

On Oct 12, 8:50 pm, Satish Phadke <phadke.sat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Shubhada ji
> Very good information. The Marathi name of both the species is same
> ....Gunj.(The tree variety is often called as Ratangunj) I don't think any
> body should object such discussions.
> Regards
> Satish
>
> 2009/10/12 shubhada nikharge <shubhada_nikha...@yahoo.co.in>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Satish ji,
> > beautiful pics.
>
> > Here is some interesting info about the seeds of Adenanthera pavonina from
> > the book 'Trees of Mumbai' by Mr. Almeida and Mr. Chaturvedi.
> > "In old days, the seeds were used as weights by jewellers in Arebia (Aden)
> > . Each seed roughly weighs 0.26 gm. The seeds are toxic to humans/animals.
> > But, if the seed is eaten unbroken, it does not get digested and and is
> > expelled without causing any harm to the consumer.
> > The seeds are twice as heavy as 'Gunj' or 'crab's eye' ( Arbus precatorius)
> > seeds."
>
> > Gunj or Crab's eye ( Arbus precatorius) is a  twiner from the family
> > Fabaceae.
> > i have uploaded pics of Gunj' ( Arbus precatorius) seeds. These seeds also
> > when the external coat is removed are toxic  and if swallowed can be
> > fatal.
>
> > Garg ji,
> >  i am aware i should not mix two diff. plants in the same email. But i
> > wanted to highlight the similarity in seeds of both plants. so i changed the
> > subject of the mail. is it correct or should i write a separate mail ?
>
> > cheers,
> > shubhada
>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Satish Phadke <phadke.sat...@gmail.com>
> > *To:* indiantreepix Indian <indian...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Sat, 10 October, 2009 4:32:12 PM
> > *Subject:* [indiantreepix:20615] Adenanthera pavonina
>
> > *Adenanthera pavonina*
> > Indian Native tree with Medicinal properties.
> > Family: Mimosaceae.
> > Ratangunj.
> > Ferguson Road Pune 10 Oct 2009.
> > Dr Satish Phadke
> > --
>
> > http:// satishphadke.blogspot.com
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bindu kapadia

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Oct 13, 2009, 4:49:39 PM10/13/09
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Sarbjeet has nicely explained the exact weight of rati.
In Gujarati , the word "rati " has been used commonly.
eg "ratibhar  vishvas nathi" - not even the least faith. Rati-seed and bhar-weight =ratibhar
Regards,
Bindu
 

Dr. Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 13, 2009, 5:05:49 PM10/13/09
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Seeds of Abrus precatorius contains a toxin called ABRIN which is
poisonous and its inhalation or ingestion can cause death too. Hence
unnecessary contact with the seeds should be avoided. The main problem
is, there is no antidote for this toxin !! Seeds do swell if you put
them in water for 3-4 days, so I imagine if they are really harmless
with the outer coat if ingested!!
Regards
Pankaj

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 13, 2009, 11:20:45 PM10/13/09
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... these brilliant red seeds (of Adenanthera pavonina) are lens shaped, about ⅓ inch in diameter and intriguingly of uniform weight
-- (4 seeds c. 1 gramme OR 1 seed c. 4 grains OR about 109 seeds c. 1 ounce)
-- were once used as a standard measure of weighing gold, just as Abrus (precatorius) seeds.

Adenanthera seeds are twice as heavy as those of Abrus.

Although the raw seeds (of Adenanthera pavonina) are toxic, when cooked they are edible.
The seeds are roasted, shelled and then eaten with rice in Java, Indonesia.
 
 
 
 
Regards.

Satish Phadke

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Oct 14, 2009, 8:44:41 AM10/14/09
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Thanks all for the excellent information.

2009/10/12 Satish Phadke <phadke...@gmail.com>



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bindu kapadia

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Oct 14, 2009, 9:43:30 AM10/14/09
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Most probabely the leaves of rati has medicinal value.They are eaten for stomach
digestion even mixed in "mukhwas"
But when you all say the poisonous effect------ i am wondering if it's the same.
It's called sonamukhi pan.
Regards,
Bindu

Dr. Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 14, 2009, 12:05:29 PM10/14/09
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See even snakes venom is medicinal, so all toxic plants have some
medicinal value, some of which we know whereas some are yet to be
discovered....

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The toxin present in Abrus precatorius is a close relative to ricin
called abrin. It is a dimer consisting of two protein subunits, termed
A and B. The B chain facilitates abrin's entry into a cell by bonding
to certain transport proteins on cell membranes, which then transport
the toxin into the cell. Once inside the cell, the A chain prevents
protein synthesis by inactivating the 26S subunit of the ribosome. One
molecule of abrin will inactivate up to 1,500 ribosomes per second.
Symptoms are identical to those of ricin, except abrin is more toxic
by several orders of magnitude; the fatal dose of ricin is
approximately 75 times greater than the fatal dose of abrin. Abrin can
kill with a circulating amount of less than 3 μg (micrograms).

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrus_precatorius
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In Chotanagpur plateau, these seeds are used as abortifacient by some
tribals.

Pankaj Oudhia

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Oct 14, 2009, 2:48:14 PM10/14/09
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All parts of Abrus are used as medicine in Traditional Healing. The
Traditional Healers are aware of methods to remove toxins from Abrus.
Some links related to its traditional medicinal uses.

http://www.google.com/webhp?tab=mw#hl=en&q=+site:www.botanical.com+abrus+oudhia&ei=NhzWSr_xC4bm6gPP8_XDAg&sa=X&oi=manybox&resnum=6&ct=all-results&ved=0CAIQqAQwBg&fp=2755c6b3e9b2e9

http://ecoport.org/ep?Plant=292&entityType=PL****&entityDisplayCategory=eArticles


Pankaj Oudhia

2009/10/14 Dr. Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>:

shubhada nikharge

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Oct 16, 2009, 5:09:39 AM10/16/09
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Hi Bindu,
seeds are toxic. But, leaves are used in 'pan' (पान) which is eaten after the heavy lunch/dinner.
cheers,
shubhada


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bindu kapadia

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Oct 16, 2009, 2:35:30 PM10/16/09
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Thanks Shubhada.So i was right after all.
Again the gunja seeds as we call Rati are also used as garland for "Thakorji" in Vaishnavas.
Gunjamala is a must in  " Pushtimarg" There is another variety also where the seeds are creamish
white.Both the types are used for malas in the "Shringar".
I had mentioned this before also when the topic of these seeds had opened up.
Regards,
Bindu

 
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