Lagerstroemia parviflora

[Satish Phadke]

Lagerstroemia parviflora (Bondara)
Family : Lythraceae Please validate.
This tree about 15 feet in height was observed flowering on 24Mar 2009. Pune Vetal Tekdi Near Mhatoba temple.
Points in favor....
Leaves 9*3.5 cm or so glabrous sessile. Flowers white in terminal and axillary panicled cyme.
Capsule 2.5 cm by 2 cm. Fruiting calyx tube 1cm deep. Some photos are of the same tree taken last year in fruiting phase.
Regards
Dr Phadke Satish

[tanay bose]

Dear Satish Ji,

I agree with you this plant is

 

Lagerstroemia parviflora Roxb., ; Pl. Corom. 1: 47, t. 66 (1795).

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Tanay

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[Neil Soares]

Hi,  This is Lagerstroemia lanceolata [L.microcarpa] locally called Bhondara / Seena. Have written about this earlier on this site - according to Dr. Almeida, Cooke had got it wrong in his 'Flora of Bombay' and most books have been perpetuating this fallacy.                         With regards,                           Neil Soares. --- On Thu, 3/25/10, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Satish Phadke]

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From: Satish Phadke <phadke...@gmail.com>
Date: 30 March 2010 12:23
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:30767] Lagerstroemia parviflora

To: Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com>, eflor...@googlegroups.com


Dear Neil ji
The key for Lagerstroemia L.  given in BSI Flora Mah. says
1.Calyx ridges as many as sepals or reduced to warts or auricles:
     2.    Leaves distinctly petiolate; fruiting calyx tube 0.2 cm deep    ...    L.microcarpa
     2.    Leaves sessile or subsessile; fruiting calyx tube 0.6-0.9 cm deep   ...   L.parviflora
(1. Calyx ridge twice the number of sepals     ...    L.reginae)
What is the opinion from Dr. Almeida? whether this key is not correct for naming or something else. I am confused similar to Dinesh ji earlier
The pictures posted by you earlier for L.microcarpa clearly show petiolate leaves while my pictures show sessile leaves.
Are other factors like simple/compound panicle of inflorescence and the colour of the bark more important as in earlier discussion?
Does tip of the leaf play any role in differentiating?
Hoping to learn something.
Dr Phadke Satish

On 30 March 2010 11:44, Satish Phadke <phadke...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Neil ji
Will you please let me know the description of this plant as given in Almeida's flora and how it differs from other species? Or you can send me a link where it is given.
Thanks
Dr Phadke

[Satish Phadke]

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Date: 30 March 2010 13:44
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:30767] Lagerstroemia parviflora
To: Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com>

Cc: eflor...@googlegroups.com


I think .............In my picture DSCN 0446a The calyx lobes definitely look like appressed to the fruit. Would you like to have a second look? What do you say?I am sure all the pictures from the set belong to the same tree, snapped at diff. times
Satish

On 30 March 2010 13:33, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Dr.Satish,   Please check the archives of this group for the earlier discussion [and my photographs] on this.     Reproducing the chararcteristics featured in the key in Dr.Almeida's book: 1.Leaves alternate;shrub  -   L.indica   1.Leaves opposite, decussate      - 2        2.Flowers purple     - L.speciosa      2.Flowers pink        - L.thorelli      2.Flowers white      -     3   3.Leaves fulvous tomentose beneath    -  L.hirta 3.Leaves glabrous        -    4        4.Calyx-tube with 6 ribs   -    L.floribunda      4.Calyx-tube not ribbed    -      5   5.Calyx lobes appressed to the fruit      - L.parviflora 5.Calyx lobes spreading or reflexed       - L.lanceolata                                           With regards,                                           Neil Soares.  --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Satish Phadke <phadke...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Satish Phadke <phadke...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:30767] Lagerstroemia parviflora

To: "Neil Soares" <drneil...@yahoo.com>, eflor...@googlegroups.com

Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 12:23 PM

[Neil Soares]

Hi Dr.Satish,   A thought occured to me - in case you have not seen the fruit of L.parviflora [Nana], they look like peanuts and are 12 - 18 mm long, whereas here in L.lanceolata [Bhondara], as you know, they look like 'acorns' and are usually 2-3 by 1-2cms.   Also from my records over the last few years, Bhondara flowers now [from Apr -Jun] and fruits from Aug -Dec, whereas Nana flowers in Aug and friuts from Aug -Dec.   Will try and send a comparative photograph of the fruit when I get back from Eaglenest.                              With regards,                                 Neil Soares.

From: "Neil Soares" <drneil...@yahoo.com> View contact details To: "Satish Phadke" <phadke...@gmail.com>

Cc: eflor...@googlegroups.com Hi Dr.Satish,   Checked your photographs. It is L. lanceolata / L.microcarpa locally called Bhondara / Seena. Have all these trees on my property. Have sent photographs earlier for comparison.You could find the link on this site. If required could send them again.                        Regards,

[Pankaj Oudhia]

Fruits of L.parviflora.

http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=pdb&PdbID=101530

http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=pdb&PdbID=104449

http://amnh.discoverlife.org/mp/20p?see=I_PAO1682&res=640

http://amnh.discoverlife.org/mp/20p?see=I_PAO1681&res=640

Pankaj Oudhia

[Neil Soares]

Hi Dr. Oudhia,  This is the problem with Cooke having got it wrong. The fruit shown in your photographs are of L.lanceolata [Bhondara,Seena].                    With regards,                      Neil Soares. --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Pankaj Oudhia <pankaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Pankaj Oudhia]

Three species of Lagerstroemia are reported from my state

Flowers more than 4 cm across, Calyx tube ridged- L. reginae
Flowers less than 3 cm across, Calyx tuber not ridged

1. Leaves glaucous beneath, fruits more than 1.5 cm long. -L. parviflora
2. Leaves pale green and pubescent beneath, fruits less than 1 cm long-L.indica

L. indica is shrub planted as ornament, L.parviiflora is shrub or tree whereas L.reginae is tree only.

[Source: Flora of Madhya Pradesh, BSI] 

L. parviflora is known as Senha locally.


regards

Pankaj Oudhia

[JM Garg]

After going through all the posts in efi site, I feel it is closer to images, details and keys at Lagerstroemia parviflora