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amit chauhan

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May 24, 2011, 12:05:33 AM5/24/11
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Dear all,

Sending photographs of Ocimum. confused over Ocimum basilicum and O.
americanum. The plants details as in the photographs and having lemon
scented smell. Growing in Pantnagar, Uttarakhand, Plants ca. 50 cm
tall

regards

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Dr. Amit Chauhan
Junior Technical Assistant
Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, Research Centre,
Pantnagar, PO Dairy Farm Nagla, Pantnagar, Udham Singh Nagar,
Uttarakhand 263149
ph.05944 234445
mob.+919412161087
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Gurcharan Singh

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May 24, 2011, 2:05:24 AM5/24/11
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I would go with O. americanum based on shorter corolla, slightly longer than calyx and more hairy calyx


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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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hari lal

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May 24, 2011, 2:14:55 AM5/24/11
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I go with Dr Gurcharan singh O. americanum
Ocimum basilicum having smell is bitter armatic with oily stem leaves
not lemon smell just like pudina smeel with bitter test.


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amit chauhan

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May 24, 2011, 2:51:01 AM5/24/11
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Thanx Gurucharanji and Hari for the identification. But Hari I have
some sweet smelling O. basilicum accessions having saunf like smell

regards

Plant Diversity

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May 24, 2011, 5:07:17 AM5/24/11
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The plant is probably O. africanum possibly backcrossed with O.
basilicum (see key from Taxonomic Revision of Tribe Ocimeae Dumort.
(Lamiaceae) in Continental South East Asia III. Ociminae Author(s): S.
Suddee, A. J. Paton, J. A. N. Parnell Source: Kew Bulletin, Vol. 60,
No. 1 (2005), pp. 3-75

Key to continental SE Asian species of Ocimum
1. Teeth of lateral fruiting calyx lobes distinct, deltoid or
lanceolate; bract without bowl-like gland
developing
2. Throat of fruiting calyx closed by the upcurved 2 median teeth of
anterior lip, anterior much
shorter than posterior; mostly shrubs or
undershrubs ........................ 1. 0. gratissimum
2. Throat of fruiting calyx open, the 2 median teeth of anterior lip
as long as or longer than posterior;
mostly herbs with stems woody at base
3. Calyx tube glabrous or thinly covered with minute glandular hairs
inside; nutlets unchanged
when wet ...................................................... 2. 0.
tenuiflorum
3. Calyx tube with a ring of hairs at throat inside; nutlets producing
mucilage when wet
4. Flower with pedicel nearly as long as calyx; appendage of posterior
stamens hairy ..............
....................................................... 3. 0.
kilimandscharicum
4. Flower with pedicel much shorter than calyx; appendage of posterior
stamens glabrous
5. Fruiting calyx up to 5 mm long; corolla 4 - 5.5 mm long
6. Fruiting calyx 2 - 3 mm long; stem internodes with short adpressed
or retrose hairs .........
.... ....o......................................o.......... 4. 0.
americanum
6. Fruiting calyx 4 - 5.5 mm long; stem internodes with long,
spreading and sometimes
retrorse hairs .......... ... ............... ..................... 5.
0. africanum
5. Fruiting calyx 6 - 8 mm long; corolla 7 - 8 mm
long ...... ............... 6. 0. basilicum

Thanks to Alan Paton at Kew for this!

On May 24, 7:51 am, amit chauhan <amitci...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanx Gurucharanji and Hari for the identification. But Hari I have
> some sweet smelling O. basilicum accessions having saunf like smell
>
> regards
>
> On 5/24/11, hari lal <taxo....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >   I go with Dr Gurcharan singh O. americanum
> > Ocimum basilicum having smell is bitter armatic with oily stem leaves
> > not lemon smell just like pudina smeel with bitter test.
>
> > On 5/24/11, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I would go with O. americanum based on shorter corolla, slightly longer
> >> than
> >> calyx and more hairy calyx
>
> >> --
> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> >> Retired  Associate Professor
> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>
> >> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:35 AM, amit chauhan <amitci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Dear all,
>
> >>> Sending photographs of Ocimum. confused over Ocimum basilicum and O.
> >>> americanum. The plants details as in the photographs and having lemon
> >>> scented smell. Growing in Pantnagar, Uttarakhand, Plants ca. 50 cm
> >>> tall
>
> >>> regards
>
> >>> --
> >>> Dr. Amit Chauhan
> >>> Junior Technical Assistant
> >>> Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, Research Centre,
> >>> Pantnagar, PO Dairy Farm Nagla, Pantnagar, Udham Singh Nagar,
> >>> Uttarakhand 263149
> >>> ph.05944 234445
> >>> mob.+919412161087
> >>> mail: amitci...@gmail.com
> >>> amitci...@rediffmail.com
> >>> amit.chau...@cimap.res.in
>
> > --
> > HARI SHANKAR LAL
> > AT-SHIV KUTIR
> > PO-BARA BAZAR
> > DIST-HAZARIBAG
> > PIN-825301
> > JHARKHAND,INDIA
> > MOBILE-9431530563
> > EMAIL-taxo....@gmail.com
>
> --
> Dr. Amit Chauhan
> Junior Technical Assistant
> Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, Research Centre,
> Pantnagar, PO Dairy Farm Nagla, Pantnagar, Udham Singh Nagar,
> Uttarakhand 263149
> ph.05944 234445
> mob.+919412161087
> mail: amitci...@gmail.com
> amitci...@rediffmail.com
> amit.chau...@cimap.res.in

amit chauhan

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May 24, 2011, 5:54:14 AM5/24/11
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Confusion....!! but I will definitely check the internode hair
characters as provided in the key. your say is that its an hybrid.

regards

mail: amit...@gmail.com
amit...@rediffmail.com
amit.c...@cimap.res.in

Gurcharan Singh

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May 24, 2011, 6:29:31 AM5/24/11
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Thanks for reproducing this key. It would really help in fixing our specimens of Ocimum.



-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Gurcharan Singh

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May 24, 2011, 6:46:29 AM5/24/11
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The key I find is confusing for lack of formatting. I am reproducing after formatting. I also notice that First lead is redundant (atleast for SE Asian species) unless the key is only a part of original key and all SE Asian species share the common features of distinct teeth of lateral calyx lobes, deltoid or lanceolate in shape and bract without bowl-like gland developing. 

 

Key to continental SE Asian species of Ocimum


1. Teeth of lateral fruiting calyx lobes distinct, deltoid or  lanceolate; bract without bowl-like gland
      developing
       2. Throat of fruiting calyx closed by the upcurved 2 median teeth of anterior lip, anterior much

           shorter than posterior; mostly shrubs or undershrubs ........................,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 1. 0. gratissimum


        2. Throat of fruiting calyx open, the 2 median teeth of anterior lip as long as or longer than posterior;
              mostly herbs with stems woody at base
               3. Calyx tube glabrous or thinly covered with minute glandular hairs inside; nutlets unchanged

                    when wet ................................................................................................ 2. 0.tenuiflorum


                3. Calyx tube with a ring of hairs at throat inside; nutlets producing
                      mucilage when wet
                      4. Flower with pedicel nearly as long as calyx; appendage of posterior

                             stamens hairy ................................................................................ 3. 0. kilimandscharicum


                       4. Flower with pedicel much shorter than calyx; appendage of posterior
                             stamens glabrous
                               5. Fruiting calyx up to 5 mm long; corolla 4 - 5.5 mm long
                                     6. Fruiting calyx 2 - 3 mm long; stem internodes with short adpressed

                                          or retrose hairs .................................................................. 4. 0. americanum


                                      6. Fruiting calyx 4 - 5.5 mm long; stem internodes with long,

                                            spreading and sometimes retrorse hairs ............................. 5. 0. africanum


                                5. Fruiting calyx 6 - 8 mm long; corolla 7 - 8 mm long ...... ............... 6. 0. basilicum


-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 


Vijayasankar

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May 24, 2011, 10:54:23 AM5/24/11
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Is it not Ocimum basilicum var. pilosum?
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3245&flora_id=2

 
Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

Gurcharan Singh

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May 24, 2011, 11:50:25 AM5/24/11
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Yes Vijayasankar ji
Ocimum basilicum var. pilosum (Willd.) Benth. is the synonym of Ocimum x africanum Lour.
Your conclusion tallies with that of Culhan ji



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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Vijayasankar

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May 24, 2011, 1:16:31 PM5/24/11
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Thanks Gurcharan ji.
The name O. x africanum is new to me. I know the plant as O. basilicum var. pilosum. And these names are not yet available at GRIN.
The combination O. americanum var. pilosum in GRIN is confusing b'cos the basionym O. pilosum Willd. is also linked to O. basilicum var. pilosum.
Thanks also to Culhan ji and Alan Paton ji for the id.
Is it possible to get full version of the revision?

Thanks & Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi



Gurcharan Singh

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May 24, 2011, 1:36:23 PM5/24/11
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Vijayasankar ji
But they are at Kew Plant List, 2010. Where as GRIN treats only limited names, this list claims to be nearly complete, though lot needs to be settled. We may soon be all following this:



-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Gurcharan Singh

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May 24, 2011, 10:38:01 PM5/24/11
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Thanks Pankaj ji
You are simply great and magnanimous
Thanks a lot.


-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 
 

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com> wrote:
Plea find the file attached for further study. It is too big so I
assume it wont reach eflora.
Pankaj



Gurcharan Singh

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May 24, 2011, 10:42:15 PM5/24/11
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Yes my doubt was correct, the key was not complete. Here is the complete one. Thank Pankaj for upoading the paper.

1. Teeth of lateral fruiting calyx lobes distinct, deltoid or lanceolate; bract without bowl-like gland

       developing

         2. Throat of fruiting calyx closed by the upcurved 2 median teeth of anterior lip, anterior much

             shorter than posterior; mostly shrubs or undershrubs .......................................................... 1. 0. gratissimum

        2. Throat of fruiting calyx open, the 2 median teeth of anterior lip as long as or longer than posterior;

             mostly herbs with stems woody at base

                3. Calyx tube glabrous or thinly covered with minute glandular hairs inside; nutlets unchanged

                     when wet ................................................................................................................. 2. 0. tenuiflorum

                3. Calyx tube with a ring of hairs at throat inside; nutlets producing mucilage when wet

                    4. Flower with pedicel nearly as long as calyx; appendage of posterior stamens hairy .......3. 0. kilimandscharicum

                    4. Flower with pedicel much shorter than calyx; appendage of posterior stamens glabrous

                          5. Fruiting calyx up to 5 mm long; corolla 4 - 5.5 mm long

                               6. Fruiting calyx 2 - 3 mm long; stem internodes with short adpressed or retrose hairs

                                           ………………………………………………................................................ 4. 0. americanum

                               6. Fruiting calyx 4 - 5.5 mm long; stem internodes with long, spreading and sometimes

                                    retrorse hairs .......... ... ............... ............................................................... 5. 0. africanum

                          5. Fruiting calyx 6 - 8 mm long; corolla 7 - 8 mm long ...... ....................................... 6. 0. basilicum

1. Teeth of lateral fruiting calyx lobes obscure, fringed with a row of many minute teeth; bract caducous,

     with bowl-like gland developing in the scar .. ................................................................................. 7. 0. filamentosum




-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 


amit chauhan

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May 25, 2011, 1:18:05 AM5/25/11
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Hi,

Thanks a lot for providing the keys Gurucharanji, Pankaj,
but...........I am sending some other photos according to my
observations the plant is O x africanum but the internodes are mostly
showing retrorse hairs and not the spreading ones now waiting for all
expert advise from your side to place it under the correct name O.
africanum or O. americanum

regards

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Dr. Shiddamallayya Mathapati

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May 25, 2011, 2:57:08 AM5/25/11
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have look
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Survey of Medicinal Plant Unit
National Ayurveda Dietetics Research Institute,
(A unit of C C R A S,
Dept. of  AYUSH, Mini. of H & F W,
Govt. of India, New Delhi),
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Gurcharan Singh

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May 25, 2011, 8:06:32 AM5/25/11
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Shiddamallayya ji
Your mail does not seem to be fitting this thread. Please always give distinct subject line to prevent mixing of threads. We should avoid these images which are mostly the outcome of photoshop editing.


-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Gurcharan Singh

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May 25, 2011, 8:28:54 AM5/25/11
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Amit ji
Looking at the scale and calyx, the calyx already seems to be around 3.5-4 mm and would definitely enlarge in fruit. Also the hairs seem to be spreading and not appressed. That fits well with O. x africanum.


-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

amit chauhan

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May 26, 2011, 12:16:06 AM5/26/11
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Thanx Gurucharanji, Pankaji and all others for clearing the identity
of this species.
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