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Bhatt Sweta

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Sep 30, 2011, 6:41:03 AM9/30/11
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Location Mumbai
Flowering
Date - September, 2011

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Bhatt Shweta
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Satish Phadke

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Sep 30, 2011, 6:52:04 AM9/30/11
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This is Bridelia retusa
At present flowering in Pune too
Euphorbiaceae Asana असाणा
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Giby Kuriakose

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Sep 30, 2011, 6:53:09 AM9/30/11
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Most probably Bridelia retusa of Phyllanthaceae family. 



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Bhatt Sweta

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Sep 30, 2011, 6:58:21 AM9/30/11
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Yes, i was wondering i am missing something here.
Missed the picture with the conical spines.
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Giby Kuriakose

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Sep 30, 2011, 7:02:51 AM9/30/11
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Yes it is Bridelia retusa of Phyllanthaceae family, for sure. 


Regards,
Giby

Satish Phadke

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Sep 30, 2011, 7:06:24 AM9/30/11
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The tiny flowers of this tree are really beautiful.  I diagnose the plant by looking at the leaf which is very characteristic and unmistakable even from a distance.
It is thick; leathery; the veins or nerves( I don't know what to call them correctly) are clear prominent and perfectly parallel originating from the mid vein. Of course the shape is important and the area of occurrence. Attaching some flowers captured recently in last fortnight from Mhatoba Tekdi Kothrud.

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Balkar Arya

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Sep 30, 2011, 9:20:32 AM9/30/11
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Nice Post Satish Ji and Shweta Ji
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Neil Soares

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Sep 30, 2011, 1:20:20 PM9/30/11
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Hi,
 It is now called Bridelia spinosa. My trees are also flowering. Sending a few of my photographs.
                        With regards,
                          Neil Soares.

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Bhatt Sweta

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Oct 1, 2011, 4:24:03 AM10/1/11
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Thanks to everyone for this informative identification!!

Giby Kuriakose

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Oct 5, 2011, 12:25:10 AM10/5/11
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According to "the plant list" Bridelia spinosa (Roxb.) Willd. is a synonym of Bridelia retusa (L.) A.Juss.
Giby


H S

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Oct 6, 2011, 3:25:35 AM10/6/11
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the plant list put B. squamosa as synonym and  B. spinosa synonym of B. retusa...

 anyone pls clarify..  or we consider this all as one species following the plant list...

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 6, 2011, 4:52:50 AM10/6/11
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Flora Malesiana, Dressler, Euphorbiaceae, treats both species  (B. squamosa (Lehm.) Gehrm. and B. spinosa (Roxb.) Willd.) as synonyms of B. retusa (L.) A. Juss. Obviously they are same species. Flora Malesiana is one publication which can't be easily ignored.

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H S

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Oct 6, 2011, 6:09:45 AM10/6/11
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Dear all, In Maharashtra we see two Bridelia (tree) species one is Bridelia spinosa (Roxb.) Willd. (plant stems with spines, dioecious flower) and other one is Bridelia squamosa (Lamk.) Gehrm. (Plant without spines, monoecious flower) 

please anyone clarify this!!!!!

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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 6, 2011, 6:15:33 AM10/6/11
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There is another:
Bridelia hamiltoniana Wall. ex Müll.Arg. (synonym of Bridelia montana (Roxb.) Willd.)

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Brideliahamiltoniana&w=91314344%40N00&m=tags

Regards.
Dinesh

H S

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Oct 6, 2011, 6:42:22 AM10/6/11
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i was talking about trees,, Bridelia hamiltonia is a shrub.. we also get Bridelia stipularis in maharashtra.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 6, 2011, 6:56:15 AM10/6/11
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Dear H S
Yes they may be two different trees, with some differences, but only an expert who has worked on specimens all over the wold can decide whether differences are enough to call them as different species or not, otherwise there would be no heterotypic synonym ever in this world. The simple fact that important recent publications treat them as synonms is enough to be satisfied. Perhaps the differences are considered even strong enough to call them as distinct varieties, although some earlier authors had done. Till we find any new publication which contradicts Flora Malesiana, I think we have to follow it.

And yes Bridelia hamiltoniana Wall. ex Mull.Arch is a synonym of B. montana (Roxb.) Willd.


So we have two B. retusa and B. montana.


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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
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H S

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Oct 6, 2011, 8:16:04 AM10/6/11
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sirji both the species are very common in Maharashtra and different from each other, than how can one say them or treat them as a single species... atleast i am not satisfied with your explanation..

even Fr. Santapau and the Gehrm. treated these two different species, but they called B. spinosa by Bridelia roxburghiana which is synonym of B. spinosa Willd.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 6, 2011, 9:18:13 AM10/6/11
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Dear H S
It is not question of my or your liking. We have to live with the present and accept what the science today accepts. I have great respect for Fr. Santapau, and all other great taxonomists of India, but have to accept if some recent revisions based on advanced taxonomic research have relegated some taxa to synonymy. I have numerous new species and name changes to my publication list, some of these have been changed recently, but that does not mean I won't accept those changes. We may have our opinions, but it is the latest taxonomic treatment that counts. Bridelia in Flora Malesiana is one the most recent treatments and most authors will follow it.

H S

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Oct 6, 2011, 10:42:49 AM10/6/11
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Dear Sirji,
 i never said it is a topic of liking... we have two different species in Maharashtra,, and i think many of the members (from maharashtra or Western India) on the group also will agree with it..
 
I think We need to check with Original Description and type material 

I have not seen Flora of Malesiana.. so i don't know about the book.
  

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 6, 2011, 12:16:43 PM10/6/11
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Dear H S
It is online. Here is the link



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Retired  Associate Professor
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