Cotoneaster microphyllus

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg,

Sharing some pics of C. microphyllus shit on 8 July 2016 at Nagarkot Nepal at 7000 ft .

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Some more pics!

[Saroj Kasaju]

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji

[Ushadi Micromini]

wonderful

any berries yet?

and how big are te

Thanks, Saroj ji

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[Saroj Kasaju]

No berries so far !

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

I am beginning a check on Cotoneasters posted on this site.  Unfortunately, I suspect a majority are misidentified.  Will be sending available images to Jeanette Fryer (on a CD she does not use e-mail).  She was co-author with the late Bertil Hylmo of 'Cotoneasters' (2009) - the most knowledgeable person on the genus.  She is always busy with other identification tasks so will certainly take weeks perhaps months before we hear but worth the wait.

 

Please note her comments: "Klotz included within C.microphyllus a number of taxa from a wide area ranging from W.Himalaya, Kumaon, through to eastern Tibet and the provinces of Yunnan & Sichuan but in its strictest sense C.microphyllus has only been recorded from Nepal.  More research is desperately needed."

 

I hope her determinations (accurate identifications) will encourage members to take a greater interest in this neglected genus, photographing more species.   There is every possibility of locating species new to science within this genus.

 

It makes sense, when those with specialist knowledge are available to name material to take full advantage.  The present situation with the naming of Cotoneaters in Indian herbaria is in need of improvement.  Many specimens are very old and/or in poor condition, of a scrappy nature in the first place.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji

On 2 Nov 2016 3:56 am, "chrischa...@btinternet.com" <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

[Saroj Kasaju]

31 January 2017

Same plant ! 

Would it help to validate ID ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:24 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji

[C CHADWELL]

I am STILL waiting to hear from J.Fryer.  As I expected it would take

MONTHS for her to comment about the assorted images I sent of Cotoneasters

posted on eFI.

UNTIL we hear (I will share her findings) it would be UNWISE for me to say much,

beyond to advise once again that in MOST cases, what is currently understood to

be the TRUE Cotoneaster microphyllus is NOT what MOST people think it is!

According to 'Cotoneasters' Fryer & Hylmo (2009) C.microphyllus Wallich ex Lindley

is restricted to Nepal.

The TYPE specimen was collected FOR (but not BY) Wallich who was NOT permitted to

venture beyond the Kathmandu during his visit(s).

It was found from the alpine zone of Gosainkund.  A VERY QUICK look at the plate and

description in this book suggests the specimen you photographed may well NOT be

C.microphyllus.

I shall be happy to send by CD (Jeanette does not have e-mail but IS worth the trouble)

these images PLUS others sent in SINCE the last lot were sent. 

Even if I hear from Jeanette tomorrow, once again, a wait of months is likely to required.

PATIENCE is required.

For the time being it would, in my opinion, be POINTLESS, for anyone to SPECULATE

further.   Thus put it as Cotoneaster sp.  AWAITING DETERMINATION.

IF there is a rival SPECIALIST in the genus, who can comment further, sooner than that,

then fine.

 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017, 15:45
Subject: [efloraofindia:262957] Re: Cotoneaster microphyllus

31 January 2017

Same plant ! 

Would it help to validate ID ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:24 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji

On 2 Nov 2016 3:56 am, "chrischadwell261@btinternet. com" <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com> wrote:

I am beginning a check on Cotoneasters posted on this site.  Unfortunately, I suspect a majority are misidentified.  Will be sending available images to Jeanette Fryer (on a CD she does not use e-mail).  She was co-author with the late Bertil Hylmo of 'Cotoneasters' (2009) - the most knowledgeable person on the genus.  She is always busy with other identification tasks so will certainly take weeks perhaps months before we hear but worth the wait.

 

Please note her comments: "Klotz included within C.microphyllus a number of taxa from a wide area ranging from W.Himalaya, Kumaon, through to eastern Tibet and the provinces of Yunnan & Sichuan but in its strictest sense C.microphyllus has only been recorded from Nepal.  More research is desperately needed."

 

I hope her determinations (accurate identifications) will encourage members to take a greater interest in this neglected genus, photographing more species.   There is every possibility of locating species new to science within this genus.

 

It makes sense, when those with specialist knowledge are available to name material to take full advantage.  The present situation with the naming of Cotoneaters in Indian herbaria is in need of improvement.  Many specimens are very old and/or in poor condition, of a scrappy nature in the first place.

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 1:48:05 PM UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

Dear Mr. Garg,

Sharing some pics of C. microphyllus shit on 8 July 2016 at Nagarkot Nepal at 7000 ft .

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Well!

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017, 15:45
Subject: [efloraofindia:262957] Re: Cotoneaster microphyllus

31 January 2017

Same plant ! 

Would it help to validate ID ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:24 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji

On 2 Nov 2016 3:56 am, "chrischadwell261@btinternet. com" <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com> wrote:

I am beginning a check on Cotoneasters posted on this site.  Unfortunately, I suspect a majority are misidentified.  Will be sending available images to Jeanette Fryer (on a CD she does not use e-mail).  She was co-author with the late Bertil Hylmo of 'Cotoneasters' (2009) - the most knowledgeable person on the genus.  She is always busy with other identification tasks so will certainly take weeks perhaps months before we hear but worth the wait.

 

Please note her comments: "Klotz included within C.microphyllus a number of taxa from a wide area ranging from W.Himalaya, Kumaon, through to eastern Tibet and the provinces of Yunnan & Sichuan but in its strictest sense C.microphyllus has only been recorded from Nepal.  More research is desperately needed."

 

I hope her determinations (accurate identifications) will encourage members to take a greater interest in this neglected genus, photographing more species.   There is every possibility of locating species new to science within this genus.

 

It makes sense, when those with specialist knowledge are available to name material to take full advantage.  The present situation with the naming of Cotoneaters in Indian herbaria is in need of improvement.  Many specimens are very old and/or in poor condition, of a scrappy nature in the first place.

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 1:48:05 PM UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

Dear Mr. Garg,

Sharing some pics of C. microphyllus shit on 8 July 2016 at Nagarkot Nepal at 7000 ft .

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

Confirmed as Cotoneaster microphyllus Wallich ex Lindley. 

According to Fryer & Hylmo, C.microphyllus sensu stricto (in its strictest sense) has only been recorded from Nepal (though it would come as no surprise if it is not also present in Uttarakhand).

Klotz (1963) included within C.microphyllus a number of taxa from a wide area ranging from the NW Himalaya, Uttarakhand (Kumaon) through to eastern Tibet and provinces of Yunnan and Sichuan in China.

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 1:48:05 PM UTC+1, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Chadwell ji

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Chris for the final validation of ID.

Cotoneaster microphyllus Wall. ex Lindl. (accepted name)

Nepali Name: खरेटो Khareto 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 5:51 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks,  Chadwell ji

[Saroj Kasaju]

Correct Nepali Names : खरेटो Khareto  / घँगारु Ghangaaru 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:06 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Chris for the final validation of ID.

Cotoneaster microphyllus Wall. ex Lindl. (accepted name)

Nepali Name: खरेटो Khareto 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 5:51 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks,  Chadwell ji