Phaius tankerville-MN260311

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mani nair

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Mar 26, 2011, 10:41:01 AM3/26/11
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Dear friends,

Sending phots of Phaius tankervillea orchid.
This is a terrestrial orchid growing in ordinary soil and like plenty
of water and light.
Blooming period : March - April

Place: Dombivli
Date : 26.3.2011

Regards,

Mani.

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Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Mar 26, 2011, 11:05:19 AM3/26/11
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Mani sir,
Have u shared this pic before?
Where did you get this from?
Pankaj
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mani nair

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Mar 27, 2011, 1:32:33 AM3/27/11
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Dear Pankaj ji, the picture I sent earlier was from an exhibition.  This one is growing in our balcony.   I bought this from an exhibition cum sale in Thane.   How is the flower?

Regards,

Mani.

Pankaj Kumar

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Mar 27, 2011, 4:38:54 AM3/27/11
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I dont think this is Phaius tankervilleae, thats why I asked. Will
check more and let you know. If possible you may have atleast one
flower in 70% alcohol and keep with you. I may request you to check
some inner parts soon.
Pankaj

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mani nair

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Mar 27, 2011, 10:20:51 AM3/27/11
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Thanks Pankaj ji, waiting for your reply.

Regards,
Mani

Pankaj Kumar

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Mar 27, 2011, 10:38:16 AM3/27/11
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Please check this reference and compare your plant.
Can you please send me the other link.
There is third species which is called Phaius luridus.
Pankaj
P TANK P WALL.pdf

Ushadi micromini

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Mar 28, 2011, 2:50:11 AM3/28/11
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Dear Pankaj ji:
I have some very basic (you may think stupid) question...
which alcohol is suitable for saving flowers for ID...?

Can l, sitting at home, not having a lab anymore, still use this
method? by using 70% dilution of Vodka... to save flowers or small
seeds for later dissection? How long can one preserve flowers in 70%
alcohol?
Thank you very much for indulging my question...
Usha di



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On Mar 27, 7:38 pm, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please check this reference and compare your plant.
> Can you please send me the other link.
> There is third species which is called Phaius luridus.
> Pankaj
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:50 PM, mani nair <mani.na...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Pankaj ji, waiting for your reply.
>
> > Regards,
> > Mani
>
> > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Pankaj Kumar <sahanipan...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I dont think this is Phaius tankervilleae, thats why I asked. Will
> >> check more and let you know. If possible you may have atleast one
> >> flower in 70% alcohol and keep with you. I may request you to check
> >> some inner parts soon.
> >> Pankaj
>
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mani nair

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Mar 28, 2011, 6:12:05 AM3/28/11
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The same question I was about to ask you.  Is it available in any Chemist shop.  I am from a liquor industry, but I do not think the liquor will help.

Regards,

Mani.

Pankaj Kumar

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Mar 28, 2011, 6:57:43 AM3/28/11
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:))
Thanks for asking.
When I said alcohol, I always meant, ethyl alcohol or ethanol. I dont drink :)
Frankly, yes, beer or vodka, which also has alcohol can be of some
help, but not for longer duration.....and then it stinks which I dont
like....
Ethyl alcohol bottles are available at chemist or scientific labs.


On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar
<sahani...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 28, 2011, 7:20:31 AM3/28/11
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Yes Pankaj ji is right
The ones available with the chemists is, however, methylated, and can't be used as vodka or rum. It is however also true that absolute alcohol available in labs is without methylation and sometimes smuggled out for use as alcoholic beverage.



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Ushadi micromini

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Mar 29, 2011, 12:08:22 AM3/29/11
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Dear Gurucharan Sigh ji and Pankaj ji:
Thank you....
my question really was can vodka be used ...
a little googling got me this:
usual vodka sold in international market
is usually 40% or so...
Its alcohol content is ethanol....
but I GUESS IT WOULD NOT DO ... since its only 40%...

so I guess I am to try and find Spirit from pharmacists...
BUT NOWADAYS the alcohol availbale for cleaning injection sites etc is
Isopropyl alcohol really... which carries its own toxicity for humans,
but our regulators are not concerned with that at this point...I am
goint to write that up elsewhere...
BUT FOR THIS group...
my next question is , suppose I did find the rectified spirit, and
made 70% with WATER? or do I need to buffer it, like we do for human
tissues preservation when using formalin? Can buffered formalin be
used for preserving flowers?
So in summary I am asking two questions: Rectified spirit is to be
diluted with what, and cand buffered formalin be used for flowers in
particular and botanical specimen in general?
Thanks..
Usha di

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Mar 29, 2011, 12:47:07 AM3/29/11
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As per my understanding or faded memory formaline decolourises the specimen and makes it brital too.
Even alcohol has to be used with some % of CuSo4.
Remaining may ask someone and let you know.
Madhuri
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mani nair

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Apr 3, 2011, 9:47:43 AM4/3/11
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Dear Pankaj ji,   I enquired for the 70% alcohol with the chemists in our area, but nobody stocks it. Please let me know other alternatives.
Regards,
Mani.

Ushadi micromini

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Apr 4, 2011, 5:35:41 AM4/4/11
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Dear All: Mani ji is right , in his neighborhood ethanol is not
available, neither is it in my neighborhood.... In West Bengal
apparently there is a huge pressure on chemists/drug stores to
maintain records of ETHANOL sales...they prefer not to stock it...
avoid hassles and all that goes with it.... so not available... only
Isopropyl alcohol to doctors for their injections.... " the
rectified spirit even if it had methanol" of my salad days could have
been useful to make the 70% alcohol to preserve the flowers for ID...

These are not good days for the citizen scientist... the armchair
naturalist... who in 17th, 18th and 19th century flourished and help
enhance the cause of science .

BUT I TAKE heart that we are armed with good quality digital cameras
where we can catch fantastic stuff for our own consumption and for
posterity or for databases...and this sort of groups and the
internet.

WE NEED TO DISCOVER IF ISOPROPYL ALOCHOL WORKS JUST AS WELL for
flowers, I'll get some and buy some run of the mill orchids and
tuberoses etc from the local florist and immerse them for 1, 3, 5, 7
days, take out and dissect to see if the petal structure
survived....

I 'll report it here in couple of weeks' time...
In the mean time I need to learn to reduce the pic size without
loosing details that I like and upload images...

Usha di.


On Apr 3, 6:47 pm, mani nair <mani.na...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Pankaj ji,   I enquired for the 70% alcohol with the chemists in our
> area, but nobody stocks it. Please let me know other alternatives.
> Regards,
> Mani.
>

J.M. Garg

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Jul 12, 2011, 8:47:40 AM7/12/11
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

I dont think this is Phaius tankervilleae, thats why I asked. Will


check more and let you know. If possible you may have atleast one
flower in 70% alcohol and keep with you. I may request you to check
some inner parts soon.

Pankaj”

 

Please check this reference and compare your plant.

Can you please send me the other link.
There is third species which is called Phaius luridus.

Pankaj”

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Pankaj Kumar

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Jul 12, 2011, 9:05:31 AM7/12/11
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I have attached a pic of what I think to be Phaius tankervilleae.
Please check if they look different.
Pankaj

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ushadi Micromini

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Jul 12, 2011, 2:44:41 PM7/12/11
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DEAR ALL:
I dont think proper diagnosis is possible from any of these photos...
guys, lets face it..
Just like some diificult tumors, this needs personal attention,
 like in front of the eyes of an orchid expert and then he/she
should be allowed to dissect it ...
somethings just are not for Instant gratification....

sorry to say this but some things do not lend themselves to such armchair id...
Usha di
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Pankaj Kumar

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Jul 12, 2011, 2:59:07 PM7/12/11
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Orchid identfication is very tricky. Sometimes you just cant confirm
even the genus without seeing the pollinia with your own eyes.
This Phaius has been long misidentified with P. wallichii and then
with another species Phaius luridus.
This looks close to tankervilleae though. But yes, while checking the
photographs, you always have limitations.
Hope you will understand my problem here.
Regards
Pankaj
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