Names of Plants in India :: QUERY (Marathi) ... bhat ghagari

[Dinesh Valke]

Dear Marathi-knowing friends,




One of the names for Crotalaria verrucosa L. is bhat ghagari ... ENVIS - FRLHT
Not sure how is bhat spelt in this context ... would it be भाट घागरी OR भात घागरी OR yet any other word ?


Regards.
Dinesh

[Madhuri Pejaver]

would have to try once that Marathi font. will do soon. Pronounce it as Marathi surname. Madhuri --- On Sun, 18/9/11, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dinesh Valke]

Madhuri ji ... did you mean to say भट घागरी ? ... any meaning for this भट as a prefix to घागरी

Meaning of घागरी
1 ... A bell or jingling ball (as of a child's girdle, or as worn on the toes by dancing girls &c.)
2 ... The fruit of घागरा.
3 ... The plant commonly घागरा


Have attached a javascrpted-HTML for generating Devanagari script ... you may try your hand at it.

Regards.
Dinesh

[Madhuri Pejaver]

perfect! will try, time is a great constrain. isnt Ghagri means the pot called ghagar? plural of it? So pot like appearence?

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Madhuri ji.

But what does भट in भट घागरी mean ? any idea ?

Other than घागरी being plural of घागर meaning a vessel or pot (made of copper, brass, or earth) to hold water, ... the other meanings of घागरी are: a bell or jingling ball (as of a child's girdle, or as worn on the toes by dancing girls &c.); the fruit of a plant commonly known as घागरा.


Regards.
Dinesh

[Madhuri Pejaver]

Had read your other meanings , but could not make anything out of it unless 1, how or what is the shape of the fruit? 2. Does it make any noise when dry?// 3,because all meanings given by you indicate noise. So it has to be related to either noise or shape. Ghagar is the word generally used by Bhats/ dont know but think so, because others use kalashi? This is all scrathing brain not knowlege. but trying to get it.

[Dinesh Valke]

... yes, the seedpods make rattle-like noise.

Here are seed-pods of Crotalaria speciosa which look similar to that of C. verrucosa

Some of the meanings of भाट [ bhata ] are:
1 ... A place in the sea or a river which appears at low water; a shoal, shallow, sand- bank.
2 ... An elevated and level spot occurring in arable land; dry therefore and fit only for the inferior grains.
3 ... Ground prepared for sugarcane: also a plantation of sugarcanes.
4 ... A class of people or an individual of it. They are minstrels or bards.
5 ... ... An empty chatterer.


Regards.
Dinesh

[formp...@yahoo.com]

Yes it is called as Khulkhula in Marathi? Then not surname but that aa pronunciation will be correct. Because it means the people who praise God!!! They are the stutipathak of God, Rajas etc. So they will be making some ringing noise isn't it of bell or ghungaru!
Thanks for making me think.
I hope matter is clear
Madhuri

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:82249] Names of Plants in India :: QUERY (Marathi) ... bhat ghagari

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Madhuri ji for working on the bhat ghagari ... it has helped thrash the ambiguity.

Most of Crotalaria species have some of their names related to sound; more related to child's rattle toy ... thus, in various languages:
English: cat's bell, rattlepod, rattlebox, shack-shack
Gujarati: ઘૂઘરો ghugharo
Hindi: घुंगरी ghungri, झुनझुनिया jhunjhunia
Marathi: डिंगळा dingala, खुळखुळा khulkhula, फटफटी phatphati
Kannada: ಗಿಜಿಗಿಜಿ ಗಿಡ gijigiji gida
... and so on.



Rathinasabapathy ji, ... not knowing the reason why you are not able to see the picture put in my message ... link to that picture in my flickr photostream is http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/4174379450/
Many thanks for showing pictures of Crotalaria verrucosa at your blog.


Regards.
Dinesh

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Rathinasabapathy Bhuvaragasamy <brsp...@gmail.com> wrote:

Pl. go through the link (pict. of C.v). I am not able to open the pict. from yr. mail.

 

http://nbranaikatti.blogspot.com/search?q=Crotalaria+verrucosa+

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[Madhuri Pejaver]

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM THANKS MADHURI

[Na Bha]

Interesting. If the name suggests the noise the pods make, can't imagine खुळखुळा khulkhula, is any near to फटफटी phatphati.
wonder wonder!

[Dinesh Valke]

Nalini ji ... those are names of various species of Crotalaria.

While खुळखुळा khulkhula is a name for large seed-pod plants like C. spectabilis and C. verrucosa, the फटफटी phatphati is for tiny seed pod plant C. filipes

Regards.
Dinesh

[Giby Kuriakose]

Kilukilukki in Malayalam. 

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Giby

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[Dinesh Valke]

... many thanks Giby ji for this name ... is this കിലുകിലുക്കി correct spelling of kilukilukki ?
Regards.
Dinesh

[Giby Kuriakose]

Yes it is correct! Most of the common Crotalaria are called either Kilukki or Kilukilukki the later might produce more rattle sound. 

Regards,

Giby

[Na Bha]

Danke vielmals

[Na Bha]

Uups, I meant thank you very much!

[Dinesh Valke]

... have updated my notes ... many many thanks Giby ji.
Regards.
Dinesh