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Pudji Widodo

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May 29, 2011, 1:26:47 AM5/29/11
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Dear Friends

Could you ID the species and family of my climber please. The leaves
& stem smell like garlic. Thank you.

Pudji Widodo

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Satish Chile

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May 29, 2011, 1:43:37 AM5/29/11
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Cydista aequinoctialis (Mansoa hymenaea) of Bignoniaceae
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Dr. Satish Kumar Chile

tanay bose

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May 29, 2011, 1:53:20 AM5/29/11
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Cydista aequinoctialis also commonly known as garlic vine
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Gurcharan Singh

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May 29, 2011, 2:23:28 AM5/29/11
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Tanay I salute you for your versatility 
May you progress a lot in your life and career

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Pudji Widodo

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May 29, 2011, 2:43:14 AM5/29/11
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Dear Dr. Satish, Tanay, Dr. Gurcharan

Thank you very much.

Best Wishes
Pudji Widodo
Faculty of Biology Jenderal Soedirman University
PURWOKERTO 53122 INDONESIA

tanay bose

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May 29, 2011, 10:04:53 AM5/29/11
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I salute back you Sir ji 
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Pinki

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May 30, 2011, 12:33:25 AM5/30/11
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Dear All

i am a bit confused. CYDISTA AEQUINOCTIALIS has an older synonym
Adenocalymma alliaceum also ?????

i know garlic vine only by this name i try to keep myself updated for
the new names but i think i missed to follow this up....

Alok

On May 29, 7:04 am, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I salute back you Sir ji
> Tanay
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Pudji Widodo <pudjiuns...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > Dear Dr. Satish, Tanay, Dr. Gurcharan
>
> > Thank you very much.
>
> > Best Wishes
> > Pudji Widodo
> > Faculty of Biology Jenderal Soedirman University
> > PURWOKERTO 53122 INDONESIA
>
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Anand Kumar Bhatt

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May 30, 2011, 2:37:41 AM5/30/11
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So am I.
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May 30, 2011, 4:19:09 AM5/30/11
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They are not synonymous according to both KEW Plant list and GRIN

Cydista aequinoctialis (L.) Miers is synonym of Bignonia aequinoctialis L.


(according to GRIN Cydista aequinoctialis is the correct name)


Mansoa alliacea (Lam.) A.H.Gentry


The two look similar and it would be interesting to find differences between them


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Gurcharan Singh

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May 30, 2011, 5:44:43 AM5/30/11
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Perhaps the above plant is Mansoa alliacea (or else Mansoa hymenaea) of it smells of garlic
It is  not Cydista aequinoctialis, which lacks garlic smell

Perhaps the whole internet considers them as synonyms but not the taxonomic world (incl GRIN and KEW Plant List) which knows their differences. After a lot of seach I found answer here: 


The answer is found in Flora of Micronesia, 5: Bignoniaceae-Rubiaceae
F . Raymond Fosberg, Marie-Helene Sachet and Royce L . O i e lvr

SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION PRESS, Washington,D.C. 1993

The two genera can be differentiated as under

     1.  Fruit valves costate, acuminate, plant with garlic odor when bruised or broken; inflorescence racemose on small lateral branchlets calyx-limb flaring, corolla lavender . . . . . . . . Mansoa 

     1. Fruit valves not notably costate, odor when broken not alliaceous.  Inflorescence a twice or more trichotomous cymose panicle, leaflet bases rounded or broadly cuneate, pseudostipules inconspicuous or early caducous, tendril often present and conspicuous; calyx-limb not notably flaring; corolla limb whitish to pink or lavender. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cydista 

There are, however, at least two vines known as garlic vine: Mansoa hymenaea (DC.) A. H. Gentry and Mansoa alliacea Lamk. The two are also confused with each other. Perhaps some one can find above plant is ultimately Mansoa alliacea or Mansoa hymenaea. For that a key is needed.


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Gurcharan Singh

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May 30, 2011, 6:40:08 AM5/30/11
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Please read Mansoa alliacea Lamk as Mansoa alliacea (Lamk) A H Gentry


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Ushadi micromini

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May 30, 2011, 8:07:49 AM5/30/11
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Whoa! what a learning experience!
thanks
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On May 30, 3:40 pm, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please read Mansoa alliacea Lamk as Mansoa alliacea (Lamk) A H Gentry
>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> They are not synonymous according to both KEW Plant list and GRIN
>

> >> *Cydista* *aequinoctialis* (L.) Miers is synonym of *Bignonia* *
> >> aequinoctialis* L. <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-319795>


> >> (according to GRIN Cydista aequinoctialis is the correct name)
>

> >> *Adenocalymma* *alliaceum* (Lam.) Miers<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-319319> is
> >> a synonym of
> >> *Mansoa* *alliacea* (Lam.) A.H.Gentry


>
> >> The two look similar and it would be interesting to find differences
> >> between them
>

> >> *


> >> --
> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> >> Retired  Associate Professor
> >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

> >> *


>
> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Anand Kumar Bhatt <
> >> anandkbh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> So am I.
> >>> ak
>

> >>>>http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.htmlhttp://www.botany.ubc.ca/...


>
> >>> --
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> >>> Gwalior. 474 005.
> >>> Tele: 0751-247 2233. Mobile 0 94253 09780.
> >>> My blogsite is at:
> >>>http://anandkbhatt.blogspot.com
> >>> (A NEW BLOG has been ADDED ON 12 April 2011.)
> >>> And the photo site:
> >>>www.flickr.com/photos/akbhatt/

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Balkar Arya

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May 30, 2011, 1:10:54 PM5/30/11
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Thanks Gurcharan Ji for throwing light in the matter
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May 31, 2011, 1:15:57 AM5/31/11
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thank you Gurcharanji.
ak

J.M. Garg

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Perhaps the above plant is Mansoa alliacea (or else Mansoa hymenaea) of it smells of garlic


It is  not Cydista aequinoctialis, which lacks garlic smell


Perhaps the whole internet considers them as synonyms but not the taxonomic world (incl GRIN and KEW Plant List) which knows their differences. After a lot of seach I found answer here:


http://zmypulse.info/2011/sctb-0081-wpow/


The answer is found in Flora of Micronesia, 5: Bignoniaceae-Rubiaceae
F . Raymond Fosberg, Marie-Helene Sachet and Royce L . O i e lvr
SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION PRESS, Washington,D.C. 1993
The two genera can be differentiated as under
     1.  Fruit valves costate, acuminate, plant with garlic odor when bruised or broken; inflorescence racemose on small lateral branchlets calyx-limb flaring, corolla lavender . . . . . . . . Mansoa
     1. Fruit valves not notably costate, odor when broken not alliaceous.  Inflorescence a twice or more trichotomous cymose panicle, leaflet bases rounded or broadly cuneate, pseudostipules inconspicuous or early caducous, tendril often present and conspicuous; calyx-limb not notably flaring; corolla limb whitish to pink or lavender. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cydista
There are, however, at least two vines known as garlic vine: Mansoa hymenaea (DC.) A. H. Gentry and Mansoa alliacea Lamk. The two are also confused with each other. Perhaps some one can find above plant is ultimately Mansoa alliacea or Mansoa hymenaea. For that a key is needed.

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Pls check Adenocalymna alliaceum Miers.
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Sep 3, 2011, 6:39:45 AM9/3/11
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A reply:
"could it be Adelocalymna nitidum Mart.ex DC.
Usha Desai [TAW]"

Anand Kumar Bhatt

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Sep 3, 2011, 6:49:21 AM9/3/11
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Pseudocalymma alliaceum. a popular garden creeper.
ak

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:46 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Gurcharan Singh

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Sep 3, 2011, 6:58:25 AM9/3/11
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Yes that should be consensus Pseudocalymma alliaceum (Lam.) Sandwith, Adenocalymma alliaceum (Lam.) Miers, but now correctly known as 

Mansoa alliacea (Lam.) A.H.Gentry 


However, we have still to exclude Mansoa hymenaea (another garlic smell climber). The two are very similar and some one has to hunt out a key separating these two species to put stamp on identification. This I had written earlier also.

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Yes Sir Manosa alliacea
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