Eggplant (with thorns in the leaf)

[raghu ananth]

Regional Mullu Badane [Kannada] meaning Eggplant with thorns in the leaf

Purple flowers, thorns in the leaf veins (both upper and lower), and in the stem. (Please ignore the fallen yellow flowers in the photographs)

MoodluKoppal, Mysore district

DSC1915 to DSC-1917

Regards

Raghu

[tanay bose]

Is it Solanum indicum?
Tanay

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[tanay bose]

Sorry for the last post my guess is Solanum viarum
tanay

[Gurcharan Singh]

Tanay, I think S. viarum is supposed to have white flowers.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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[tanay bose]

Right you are Sir this Solanum really makes me mad some times !! Any clue from your side?
tanay

[Gurcharan Singh]

SOS for Kunhikannan ji, our expert on Solanum.

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[Rashida Atthar]

Could this possibly be Solanum mammosum Lour. , basing this on the leaf description and yellow slender prickles on both sides. Colour of flowers not given in Dr. Almeida's flora.  

Raghu ji thanks for posting so many amazing pics of the different species of Solanum together, and with Dr. Kunhikannan' s expertise it will give us a lot of correct Ids. 

regards,

Rashida.    

[tanay bose]

I think there is no chance of S mammosum , as the species name suggest the fruits looks like the cow's udder (mammary gland) . Please sthe photos from my earlier post at Eflora http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/b5b894fba4ba9a83/add7b9f8711c8e1a?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=solanum+mammosum#add7b9f8711c8e1a

Tanay

[Rashida Atthar]

Well Tanay ji Dr. Almeida's flora says " Berry globose, 2-3 cm in diameter, densely covered with long fulvous hair. Seeds 2.5 mm in diameter faintly rugose with concentric ring". There is line drawing also of the  leaves and fruits. 

regards,

Rashida 

[tanay bose]

It do sometime have round fruit ( rare 1 out of 5000) but you can check from any database the species name came from the structure of the fruit.
Tanay

[Gurcharan Singh]

Raghu ji

Give us some photographs of fruits. They are important in this genus. Folks till then we put full stop to guesses. Vijayasankar ji is watching you closely. Don't allow him to bowl you out again. "Indian team ka vaise bhi haal bura hai-----aaj kal"

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[Rashida Atthar]

Perhaps, but the earlier name of the species in Dr. Almeida's flora are as follows: Solanum lasiocarpum Dunal, S. ferox auct non. Linn., 1763); Wight, S. indicum Linn., S. involucratum Bl., S. Kurzii Brace in Prain, S. hirsutum Roxb.  Let us  wait for experts ID. We may both we incorrect !

regards,

Rashida.

[raghu ananth]

Sir ji,

I had posted all the photographs I had. 

Most of the times this plant grows in the bushes along with other plants & we may end up missing something. crucial.

Regards

Raghu

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:38133] Eggplant (with thorns in the leaf)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Rashida ji

As indicated earlier, S. indicum has undergone a lot of reinvestigation. S. indicum L. (S. ferox of FBI 4:233; S. stramonifolium vide Saldanha Fl. Hassan district 462) is now correctly S. lasiocarpum Dunal. It is quite distinct in usually blue flowers and more importantly densely hairy about 1.5 cm across fruits, turning glossy red when mature.

Solanum indicum of FBI 4:234 (non L.) is now S. violaceum  Ortega (syn: S. sodomeum L.)- It has blue purple flowers; both young and old fruits are glabrous; mature berry is about 1 cm orange in colour.

Some S. indicum specimens now correctly belong to S. anguivi, a species with white flowers, but often with purple veins and small fruits almost red when rip in raceme-like clusters. I am reproducing its description below:

Shrub up to 3 m tall with spreading branches; stem often prickly, bearing small, sessile stellate hairs with 4–8 arms. Leaves alternate, simple; stipules absent; petiole 2–6 cm long, densely stellate-hairy; blade elliptical-ovate, 10–20 cm × 5–10 cm, sinuate to distinctly lobed, with 2–4 pairs of lobes 2–3 cm long, base oblique, cuneate or occasionally truncate or subcordate, apex acute to obtuse, on both surfaces with more or less sessile stellate hairs having 6–10 more or less equal arms. Inflorescence a raceme-like cyme, extra-axillary, 5–15-flowered, occasionally flowers solitary. Flowers usually bisexual, occasionally the distal flowers with short styles and functionally male, regular, usually 5-merous; pedicel 4–15 mm long; calyx densely hairy, lobes c. 3 mm long; corolla stellate, 6–12 mm in diameter, white, occasionally with pale purple veins on the outer surface, stellate hairy outside, more or less glabrous inside; stamens alternate with corolla lobes, filaments short and thick, anthers connivent, yellow, opening by terminal pores; ovary superior, 2–6-celled, style about as long as stamens, stigma small. Fruit a subglobose berry 7–18 mm in diameter, smooth, green or white when young, red when ripe, in clusters of up to 20 fruits; stalk 8–15 mm long, usually erect, occasionally decurved. Seeds subreniform, 2–3 mm long. Seedling with epigeal germination; cotyledons thin, leafy.

[Rashida Atthar]

Thank you very much for all the information Sir.

regards,

Rashida.

[Balkar Arya]

Dear Tanay
Can you prepare a comparative chart of all solanum sps posted in our group with photos for all of us for clear cut identification?

Regards


Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
Arya P G College, Panipat
Haryana-132103
09416262964

[tanay bose]

Will try
tanay

[Gurcharan Singh]

Balkar ji and Tanay

I never knew I seem to be getting telepathy with Balkar ji also. For last five six hours I was working on this manuscript. I can't wait sending it to you although it is only 20 percent complete:

Journey towards eFlora of India: Small  steps

            Solanum

Some days back I had written to Tabish ji about status of our databases and journey towards the preparation of eFlora of India. We seem to have reached collecting some data concerning roughly 20 per cent of Indian Flora. A rich eFlora should have a few photographs of each species (the major strength of our eFlora project), descriptions of species (already a part of Flowers of India, but some elaboration needed), Correct nomenclature status (partially achieved, authorities and references need be entered). Our databases also have added strength of having local names of plants in different languages. To my mind two major activities need to be undertaken:

1.       Preparation of list of species under each genus reported in India (wild as well as cultivated) so that members can focus on the remaining species and upload their photographs to ensure complete representation of each genus.

2.       To prepare easy identification keys for the species reported from India, to help members and surfers easy identification of species

The situation with regard to present documentation of Indian Flora is that we still have to depend on regional Floras, and older these get, less reliable they become. There is no better example than the genus Solanum, which has been focus of our attention periodically and recently enthusiastic efforts of Yazdy ji (who says that only trained taxonomists, with sound knowledge of technical details only can contribute to our floristic knowledge; Garg ji, Dinesh ji, Tabish ji and several other veterans have already proved that) and Raghu ji uploading many photographs. I begin with this genus building up taxonomic status of species, and request other members to suggest improvements so that we know species representation in our subcontinent.

HERBACEOUS SPECIES

A.      Herbs without prickles

1.       Solanum nigrum L.  var. nigrum: Mature berries black, globose, 8-10 mm across; peduncles almost twice as long as pedicels; fruiting calyx appressed to fruit; corolla 8-10 mm across; anthers 2.5-3.5 mm long.

2.       Solanum villosum (L.) Moench. (syn: Solanum nigrum L. var. villosum L.; eFlora of Pak.; S. alatum Moench.; S. luteum Mill; S. miniatum Bernh. Ex Willd.; s. nigrum auct. (non L.)): Mature berries orange to orange-red, ovoid, 6-8 mm across; peduncles shorter than or equaling pedicels; anthers 2 mm long.

3.       Solanum americanum Mill. (syn: S. nigrum sensu Trimen Handb. Fl. Ceylone 3: 231, 1895): Mature berries black, globose, 5-8 mm across; peduncle twice as long as pedicels; fruiting calyx spreading; corolla 3-5 mm across; anthers 1-1.5 mm long.

4.       Solanum lycopersicum L. (syn: Lycopersicon esculentum Mill.): Leaves pinnate compound; flowers yellow; calyx enlarging in fruit.

5.       Solanum tuberosus L. Potato: plants tuberous; leaves pinnate; flowers white or purplish

B.      Herbs with Prickles

6.       Solanum mammosum L. : densely hairy and prickly herb; flowers mauve; fruits ovoid-oblong, 4-7 cm long, yellow, pointed, with several lobes near base

7.       Solanum sisymbrifolium Lam.: Prickly herb, leaves deeply pinnately lobed; flowers white; fruit bright red, globose, 1-1.5 cm, enclosed in prickly calyx.

C.      Climbers without prickles

8.       Solanum laxum Spreng (syn: S. jasminoides Paxt.): Leaves simple, sometimes lobed at base; flowers white or tinged blue

9.       Solanum seaforthianum Andr. (syn: S. venustum Kunth): Leaves pinnate; flowers lilac; fruits small, globose, bright red.

D.      Climbers with prickles

10.   Solanum wendlandii Hook.f.: Leaves pinnate, prickles curved; flowers lilac, 5-6 cm across; fruit globose.  

E.       Shrubs without prickles

11.   Solanum pseudo-capsicum L.: Leaves narrow-oblong to oblanceolate, entire; peduncle almost absent; fls 1-3 together, white, 1-1.5 cm across,; fruit 1-2 cm across, scarlet or orange.

12.   Solanum diphyllum L.: Leaves elliptic , in unequal pairs; peduncle distinct 3-12 mm long; flowers more than 3, white, 4-6 mm across; fruit erect, orange, 7-12 mm across, slightly bilobed.

F.       Herbs with woody base armed or unarmed

13.   Solanum melanogena L.

 

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[tanay bose]

Thanks for making me feel better!!
Tanay

[Balkar Arya]

Great Work Gurcharan Ji
Many Many Thanks for the efforts

Regards

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Dinesh and Balkar ji, thank you

It is just first step to set the ball rolling. Ipomoea, Acacia, Polygonum, Alternanthera, Ocimum, Barleria, Bauhinia, Cassia, etc. are few other genera in which similar exercise can be taken by members as per their choice.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gurcharan ji, ... just checked facility of collaborative participation in pages (of Google Group) ... alas, it is not as I thought ... EDIT can be done by Anybody / Members / Managers (default).
So my request of creating pages may not be a good decision to take.

Rather, must think of publishing pages using Google Docs .. it has finer control of collaboration.
A doc (read page) created would have perma URL that can be used for linking purposes ... however manually.

Regards.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gurcharan ji ... BRAVO.
I am too small a person to attempt even encouraging you ... but this effort of yours will pave way / in other words: prime the engine of eFlora of India.
Would like to request you and all such pioneers who would do this kind of tasks to make use of creating "page" in this group.
The author will have the facility to edit the page at his / her will ... and I suppose the author can give rights to any other specific member(s) to edit too ... in other words collaborate.

Salutes.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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