Herb for ID : Matheran RDS 111012

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Rajesh Sachdev

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Oct 11, 2012, 6:43:50 AM10/11/12
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Clicked this erect herb at Matheran on last Sunday, requesting for valid ID.
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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:07:56 PM10/11/12
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... species of Phyllanthus.
Some more information could be helpful; size of: flower OR fruit OR leaf.
Regards.
Dinesh


On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Rajesh Sachdev <leopa...@gmail.com> wrote:
Clicked this erect herb at Matheran on last Sunday, requesting for  valid ID.

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Rajesh Sachdev

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:12:40 PM10/11/12
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Dinesh, the size of the flower must be 3-4 mm and leave not above 2 Cms., it was (the plant) was somehow around 1 foot in height. 
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Rajesh Sachdev


Vijayasankar

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:18:41 PM10/11/12
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It may be Phyllanthus virgatus (= P. simplex).
 
Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi



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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 11, 2012, 12:56:03 PM10/11/12
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Vijayasankar ji, I think P. virgatus fruits hang by long slender stalks ... please correct if wrong.
Posted plant looks similar to what I have posted for ID at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/kVPGdxvH7iA/F7x1oAgRqZIJ
Regards.
Dinesh


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Vijayasankar

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Oct 11, 2012, 9:56:59 PM10/11/12
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Very good point Dinesh ji. Let's await for more responses.

 
Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi



jmgarg1

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Oct 22, 2012, 5:32:18 AM10/22/12
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

 ... species of Phyllanthus.
Some more information could be helpful; size of: flower OR fruit OR leaf.
Regards.
Dinesh

 Dinesh, the size of the flower must be 3-4 mm and leave not above 2 Cms., it was (the plant) was somehow around 1 foot in height. - from Rajesh ji.

 It may be Phyllanthus virgatus (= P. simplex).

Regards 
Vijayasankar Raman

 Vijayasankar ji, I think P. virgatus fruits hang by long slender stalks ... please correct if wrong.


Posted plant looks similar to what I have posted for ID at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/kVPGdxvH7iA/F7x1oAgRqZIJ
Regards.
Dinesh

 Very good point Dinesh ji. Let's await for more responses.

Regards 
Vijayasankar Raman



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jmgarg1

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Oct 23, 2012, 2:00:13 AM10/23/12
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It is Phyllanhus simplex.


Phyllanthus simplex Retz., Observ. Bot. 5: 29. 1789; Müll.Arg. in DC. Prodr. 15(2): 391. 1866; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 5: 295. 1887; Gamble, Fl. Madras 2(7): 1289. 1925 (repr. ed. 2: 902. 1957). Macraea oblongifolia Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient. 5(2): 27, t. 1902, f. 1. 1852. Phyllanthus simplex var. oblongifolius(Wight) Müll.Arg. in Linnaea 32: 32. 1863 & in DC., Prodr. 15 (2): 391. 1866; Hook.f., l. c. 295. 1887. P. virgatus auct. non G.Forst., 1786: Chakrab. & N.P.Balakr. in J. Econ. Taxon. Bot. Addit. Ser. 9: 98. 1992.

var. simplex

Asm.: Bon-babri; Guj.: Motibhonyaanmali; Mar.: Bhuiavali; Sans.: Tandameral; Tel.: Uchchiyusirika.

Herbs, annual or perennial, up to 20 cm high.

Fl. & Fr. Jan. - Dec.

Distrib. India: Common weed in waste places, cultivated fields, roadsides, riverbanks, grasslands, forest undergrowth, up to 1500 m altitude; almost throughout the country including Andaman & Nicobar Islands.

Sri Lanka (and India) to SE. Asia, S. China, Indo-China and Malesia.


Tapas Chakraborty"

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 23, 2012, 2:05:43 AM10/23/12
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Thank you very much Tapas ji for the ID.
Regards.
Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 23, 2012, 2:07:07 AM10/23/12
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And many thanks Garg ji for resurfacing the query, as well for forwarding Tapas ji's response.
Regards.
Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 23, 2012, 2:29:24 AM10/23/12
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Tapas ji, Vijayasankar ji,
In the posted plant we find the fruit to be having just about or under 1 mm stalk - is this an acceptable variation in P. virgatus (= P. simplex) ?
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Dinesh

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 23, 2012, 4:19:26 AM10/23/12
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Many thanks to Tapas ji for his response to my final query.
Am considering the posted plant to be Phyllanthus simplex Retz. var. simplex


From his response, these help me:
b. ... Leaves mostly chartaceous; male pedicels and sepals ca 0.5 mm long; fruiting pedicels 2 – 6 mm long; seeds ca 1.5 mm long ... ... ... 30.2. var. simplex


30.2. var. simplex
Flowering & fruiting:  Jan. - Dec. (flowers: pale yellowish white or greenish; fruits: greenish).
Local names: Assm.: Bon-babri; Guj.: Motibhonyaanmali; Hindi: Bhuinamla; Mar.: Bruia-vali, Motithuiavali; Sans.: Tandameral; Tel.: Uchinyusirika.
Habitat: A common weed in waste placed, cultivated fields, roadsides, river banks, grassland, forest undergrowth, on loamy soil up to 1500 m altitude.
Distribution: Sri Lanka and India to SE. Asia, S. China and Malesia (in Melanesia intergrading with P. virgatus G. Forst.)


Thank you very much Tapas ji for the reference notes.

Regards.
Dinesh

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Oct 23, 2012, 4:38:51 AM10/23/12
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I strongly believe that it is Phyllanthus simplex and the variation indicated is only an individual variation due to polyploidy of this widely distributed weed.  P. virgatus does not occur in India, as per reference of Webster.  Our book on family Phyllanthaceae in Indian subcontinent is awaiting publication.  First of all. we are offering VOLUME 23 OF FLORA OF INDIA, containing families Loranthaceae to Daphniphyllaceae, by BSI.  It is in press now.
Tapas Chakrabarty.

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 23, 2012, 5:02:29 AM10/23/12
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Thank you very much Tapas ji.
Regards.
Dinesh

J.M. Garg

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Mar 3, 2021, 7:14:59 AMMar 3
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Is it not Phyllanthus debilis as per id by Tapas ji at Euphorbiaceae fortnight: Phyllanthus for id ?

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Subject: [efloraofindia:134731] Herb for ID : Matheran RDS 111012
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Clicked this erect herb at Matheran on last Sunday, requesting for  valid ID.

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Mar 3, 2021, 12:48:27 PMMar 3
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Please let me know whether it is Phyllanthus urinaria? If not, then it is problematical.

J.M. Garg

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Mar 6, 2021, 5:01:04 AMMar 6
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Thanks, Tapas ji.
To me looks different from images at Phyllanthus urinaria
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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Mar 6, 2021, 3:09:06 PMMar 6
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Garg ji,
Please compare these images with Phyllanthus narayanswamii Gamble.
Regards,
Tapas.

J.M. Garg

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Mar 6, 2021, 9:14:43 PMMar 6
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Thanks, Tapas ji

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Dinesh Valke

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Mar 7, 2021, 7:03:14 AMMar 7
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Many thanks Garg ji and Tapas ji.
Regards.
Dinesh
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