Request for identification ABUTILON species

18 views
Skip to first unread message

satish pardeshi

unread,
Oct 20, 2009, 10:13:37 AM10/20/09
to indian...@googlegroups.com
Hello all
i found this plant at Gautala Autrum Ghat wildlife Sanctuary, Jalgaon
on hill slopes among bush. in October 2009.
the plant is about 1 metre height. a malvaceae member, most probably
Abutilon species. whole plant is velvetty tomentose. the lower surface
of leaves is whitish.
open flowers could not be photographed as i feel it opens in evening.
please help in ID.

regards
Satish Pardeshi

20 10 09 SNP abutilon.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon1.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon2.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon4.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon5.JPG

J.M. Garg

unread,
Nov 16, 2009, 2:06:09 AM11/16/09
to indiantreepix, satish pardeshi, Dr. Santhosh Kumar, Swapna Prabhu, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, Vijayasankar Raman

Forwarding again for Id assistance pl.



--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en
-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---




--
With regards,
J.M.Garg (jmg...@gmail.com)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
Image Resource of more than a thousand species of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg
For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en

20 10 09 SNP abutilon.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon1.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon2.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon4.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon5.JPG

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Nov 16, 2009, 7:27:40 AM11/16/09
to J.M. Garg, indiantreepix, satish pardeshi, Dr. Santhosh Kumar, Swapna Prabhu, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, Vijayasankar Raman
Not Abutilon atleast. Epicalyx are clearly seen.
 

--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/




--

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=.


J.M. Garg

unread,
Nov 26, 2009, 3:57:10 AM11/26/09
to indiantreepix, satish phadke, Gurcharan Singh-sify, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, Vijayasankar Raman, Tabish
Forwarding again for Id assistance pl.

Earlier relevant feedback:

“Not Abutilon atleast. Epicalyx are clearly seen.
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh”

 

 
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: satish pardeshi <satishp...@gmail.com>
Date: 2009/10/20
Subject: [indiantreepix:21195] Request for identification ABUTILON species
To: indian...@googlegroups.com


--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en
-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

20 10 09 SNP abutilon.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon1.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon2.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon4.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon5.JPG

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Dec 18, 2009, 8:42:11 AM12/18/09
to J.M. Garg, indiantreepix, satish pardeshi, Dr. Santhosh Kumar, Swapna Prabhu, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, Vijayasankar Raman
Resurfacing again for ID

Earlier feedback by me

“Not Abutilon atleast. Epicalyx are clearly seen


-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:36 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

--

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=.



J.M. Garg

unread,
Feb 3, 2010, 3:25:45 AM2/3/10
to efloraofindia, satish pardeshi, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, Gurcharan Singh

Forwarding again for Id assistance pl.

Earlier relevant feedback:


Not Abutilon atleast. Epicalyx are clearly seen.
--
Dr. Gurcharan Singh”

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: satish pardeshi <satishp...@gmail.com>
Date: 20 October 2009 19:43
Subject: [indiantreepix:21195] Request for identification ABUTILON species
To: indian...@googlegroups.com


--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en
-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---




--
With regards,
J.M.Garg (jmg...@gmail.com)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
Image Resource of more than a thousand species of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg
For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Efloraofindia:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix

20 10 09 SNP abutilon.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon1.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon2.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon4.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon5.JPG

J.M. Garg

unread,
Feb 3, 2010, 4:47:58 AM2/3/10
to efloraofindia, satish pardeshi, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, Gurcharan Singh
Further feedback:
"this is long awaited id.
i again checked flora of Maharashtra--the description of plant points
towards Hibiscus, Abutilon. but could not get through.
Regard
Satish Pardeshi"

R. Vijayasankar

unread,
Feb 5, 2010, 12:49:12 AM2/5/10
to J.M. Garg, efloraofindia, satish pardeshi, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, Gurcharan Singh
Hi,
I checked BSI's Flora of India (Vol. 3, 1993) and the keys lead me to identify this as Melhania magnifolia. But i am not sure of the id. Flowering season is said to be December. It is distributed in PJ, RJ, GJ & MH only. 

Pl check it once again and tell us the confirmed id. It was originally published in JBNHS 26: 228. 1918.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en.



--
With regards

R. Vijayasankar
FRLHT, Bangalore

J.M. Garg

unread,
Mar 4, 2010, 3:13:30 AM3/4/10
to efloraofindia, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, satish pardeshi, Vijayasankar Raman, Gurcharan Singh

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl.

Earlier relevant feedback:

“Hi,


I checked BSI's Flora of India (Vol. 3, 1993) and the keys lead me to identify this as Melhania magnifolia. But i am not sure of the id. Flowering season is said to be December. It is distributed in PJ, RJ, GJ & MH only.


Pl check it once again and tell us the confirmed id. It was originally published in JBNHS 26: 228. 1918.” from Vijayasankar ji.



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: satish pardeshi <satishp...@gmail.com>
Date: 20 October 2009 19:43
Subject: [indiantreepix:21195] Request for identification ABUTILON species
To: indian...@googlegroups.com


--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en
-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

20 10 09 SNP abutilon.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon1.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon2.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon4.JPG
20 10 09 SNP abutilon5.JPG

J.M. Garg

unread,
Mar 4, 2010, 3:48:22 AM3/4/10
to efloraofindia, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, satish pardeshi, Vijayasankar Raman, Gurcharan Singh
A reply:
"Petals are persistent, cymes are terminal, bracts ovate, acuminate and shorter than sepals. These characters lead to Melhania tomentosa Stocks, ex Mast. But this is not reported in Maharashtra as yet. Regards, Shrikant"

tanay bose

unread,
Mar 4, 2010, 7:41:19 AM3/4/10
to J.M. Garg, efloraofindia, Shrikant Ingalhalikar, satish pardeshi, Vijayasankar Raman, Gurcharan Singh
Dear all,
i am also supporting Garg ji it is Melhania tomentosa Stocks, ex Mast ..........because
  1. leaf morphology and characters.
  2. inflorescence.
  3. Floral characters.
Regards,
Tanay 
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en.



--
Tanay Bose
+91(033) 25550676 (Resi)
9830439691(Mobile)
9674221362 (Mobile)

satish pardeshi

unread,
Mar 4, 2010, 10:17:42 AM3/4/10
to indiantreepix
Thanx Garg ji, Tanay ji, Gurucharansingh ji, Vijay ji, Shrikant ji and all others for helping in the identification of this long awaited and discussed plant.
it is Melhania futteyporensis Munro ex Masters in Hook.f.,Fl.Brit.Ind. 1:373. 1874.
i also found its reference in Maharashtra on this following site
 

http://www.maharashtra.gov.in/english/gazetteer/Vansampada/PDF/81-1.pdf

Thanx and Regards

Satish Pardeshi


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:29 PM, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear satish Ji,
please see in this link you will get a bit of information..................
 
Regards,
Tanay

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:03 PM, satish pardeshi <satishp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Tanay ji
can  you provide some literature for Melhania tomentosa Stocks, ex Mast.
as  i am not getting any links to this plant and right now dont have any access to books and flora.

Regards
Satish Pardeshi
--
Satish Pardeshi
Plant Taxonomist
Mumbai, Pune



--
Tanay Bose
+91(033) 25550676 (Resi)
9830439691(Mobile)
9674221362 (Mobile)




--
Satish Pardeshi
Plant Taxonomist
Mumbai, Pune

tanay bose

unread,
Mar 4, 2010, 10:31:40 AM3/4/10
to satish pardeshi, indiantreepix
Dear Satish ji,
The link shows a Maharastra Govt. Checklist of plant . there is no description nor any picture in it. Many time several plant are left out accidently while preparing a checklist. or due very small population number they are left out as they were not observed [accidentally] by the authority. Hence I will kindly ask you to again confirm you plant with better evidential sources.
 
Regards
Tanay

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Mar 4, 2010, 11:01:05 AM3/4/10
to tanay bose, satish pardeshi, indiantreepix
Dear Tanay
I have not been able to comprehend the point of disagreement. The plant was uploaded as Abutilon. I disputed this on the basis of presence of epicalyx. Vijayasankar ji first identified it as Melhania (tentatively M. magnolifolia). Shrikant ji identified it as M. tomentosa, which you supported. You had also provided link to Eflora of Pakistan which regards M. tomentosa as synonym of M. futteyporensis, which Satish ji rightly concluded.
  Pl enlighten me if I have missed anything.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor

SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

tanay bose

unread,
Mar 4, 2010, 11:08:25 AM3/4/10
to Gurcharan Singh, satish pardeshi, indiantreepix
Dear all,
 I am extremly sorry for the comment ....it was my personal mistake that i missed out the synonym while going through the eflora of Pakistan  .....i ask for excuse from Satish ji for the mistake........... and again thank Gurchran ji for pointing out my mistake and making cordial efforts to correct my mistake ......thank you again sir.....very very thank you.
 
regards
Tanay

satish pardeshi

unread,
Mar 5, 2010, 12:22:07 AM3/5/10
to indiantreepix
Hello all
I have gone through many links such as GRIN, Flora of Pakistan, Pankaj Oudhia's website, etc and it was difficult to find Melhania tomentosa. then came to know this accepted name as M. futteyporensis Munro ex Masters. 

satish pardeshi

unread,
Mar 5, 2010, 12:51:01 AM3/5/10
to indiantreepix
Hello all
I have gone through many links such as GRIN, Flora of Pakistan, Pankaj Oudhia's website, etc and it was difficult to find Melhania tomentosa, then came to know this accepted name as M. futteyporensis Munro ex Masters.  I mentioned this name as many times after identification  of the correct species we give thanx to all experts for providing clues, but a third person who go through the links may not come to know  what is the final conclusion, hence i mentioned the identified name.

I was pretty excited by the fact that no mention of Melhania in Cook flora and Flora of Maharashtra. it became stronger  when Shrikant ji mentioned abt Melhania not being reported from Maharashtra. but after further searching i found its reference in Maharashtra gazette, hence i felt it necessary to bring to all that it is reported from Maharashtra.
I am very happy that Tanay ji is taking so much interest in the group activities and i well come and congratulate him on becoming Moderator of the group. i feel that discussions will become more interesting and plants will get identified wihin short time by such members. 

Regards
Satish Pardeshi
Consultant, Taxonomist
CDAC, Pune

tanay bose

unread,
Mar 5, 2010, 1:07:30 AM3/5/10
to satish pardeshi, indiantreepix
thank you satish ji for your humble reciprocation.
Regards
Tanay

Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages