Physalis minima ... Physalis lagascae

[Dinesh Valke]

Dear friends,
Physalis minima for discussion.

Date/Time : April 3, 2010 at 1.10pm IST
Location Place : Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Mumbai) ... Altitude : 66 m ... GPS : 19°14'14.75"N, 72°57'52.23"E
Habitat : wild ... Type : mixed deciduous forest
Plant Habit : herbaceous bush ... Height : 30 - 50 cm ... Length : - not a climber -
Leaves Type : simple, alternate, margin entire, or shallowly toothed ... Shape : ovate-lanceolate (variable) ... Size : 4 - 6 (12) cm x 2.5 - 3 (7) cm
Inflorescence Type : solitary ... Size : -
Flowers Size : 6 - 8 mm ... Colour : off-white to pale yellow, brownish spots at base ... Calyx : triangular, 3 - 5 mm long ... Bracts : -
Fruits Type : berry (edible), enclosed in calyx ... Shape : globose ... Size : about 1 cm ... Seeds : about 2 mm, flat disc-shaped or broadly reniform

Other Info :

Fragrance : do not know ...  Pollinator : do not know ...  Uses : of medicinal value, fruits eaten.




Photos at flickr photostream, triggered Muthu ji to query whether the plant would be P. angulata ...or... P. lagascae.
My feeling was P. minima (syn. P. lagascae) as per NPGS / GRIN ... because the flowers have yellow-brown anthers unlike bluish in P. angulata (Ref; http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellowalt/Physalis_angulata_page.html)



Revisited http://www.plantsystematics.com/qikan/manage/wenzhang/aps06141.pdf to check on Muthu ji's query,
The PDF article: The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the species of Physalis  is interesting; talks about confusion regarding P. minima on Indian subcontinent
It highlights one species confused for other. P. minima has naturalized pan-tropically, is a fact.
However, its description could be loose enough for mistaking it for another species, at least on the Indian subcontinent, specifically P. lagascae.




As per this article, my posted plant could be thus P. lagascae.

Comments please.



Regards.

[Satish Chile]

Dear Dinesh ji,

I 've also read the mentioned paper "The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the species of Physalis". This way u are right ur photograph matche with P. lagascae

Satish

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[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Satish ji for validation.

Seeking comments and thoughts -- is it valid to consider P. lagascae as a separate identity, and not as a synonym of P. minima until such fact is reflected at NPGS / GRIN, KEW, and such authoritative sites ?


Regards.

[Satish Phadke]

Nice to read all the descriptions as well as the links.
The plant posted earlier by me also appears to be same P. lagascae
Dr Phadke

[tanay bose]

Dear All,
Undoubtedly this plant is Physalis  lagascae  very common around Kolkata and West Bengal along with Physalis minima. P minima is always given in B.Sc classes for taxonomic studies even I did it.
Regards
Tanay

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[Dinesh Valke]

Tanay ji,

Do you mean to say you are already treating them as separate species ?
What are your thoughts about their synonymy at
1) NPGS / GRIN ... http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?401798
2) PIER ... http://www.hear.org/Pier/species/physalis_minima.htm


Regards.

[shrikant ingalhalikar]

This plant would be P. longifolia Nutt. since corolla has brown spots
at base. This plant was named as P. minima in FOS later corrected to
above. P. minima is included in FFOS. Regards, Shrikant

On Apr 9, 10:53 am, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
> *Physalis minima* for discussion.
>
> *Date/Time* : April 3, 2010 at 1.10pm IST
> *Location Place* : Yeoor Hills (part of Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Mumbai)
> ... *Altitude* : 66 m ... *GPS* : 19°14'14.75"N, 72°57'52.23"E
> *Habitat* : wild ... *Type* : mixed deciduous forest
> *Plant Habit* : herbaceous bush ... *Height *: 30 - 50 cm ... *Length* : -
> not a climber -
> *Leaves Type *: simple, alternate, margin entire, or shallowly toothed ... *
> Shape* : ovate-lanceolate (variable) ... *Size* : 4 - 6 (12) cm x 2.5 - 3
> (7) cm
> *Inflorescence Type* : solitary ... *Size* : -
> *Flowers Size* : 6 - 8 mm ... *Colour* : off-white to pale yellow, brownish
> spots at base ... *Calyx* : triangular, 3 - 5 mm long ... *Bracts* : -
> *Fruits Type* : berry (edible), enclosed in calyx ... *Shape *: globose ...
> *Size* : about 1 cm ... *Seeds* : about 2 mm, flat disc-shaped or broadly
> reniform
>
> *Other Info* :
> *Fragrance* : do not know ...  *Pollinator* : do not know ...  *Uses* : of

> medicinal value, fruits eaten.
>
> Photos at flickr photostream, triggered Muthu ji to query whether the plant

> would be *P. angulata* ...or... *P. lagascae*.
> My feeling was *P. minima* (syn. *P. lagascae*) as per NPGS / GRIN ...
> because the flowers have yellow-brown anthers unlike bluish in *P.
> angulata*(Ref;http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellowalt/Physalis_angulata_page.html)
>
> Revisitedhttp://www.plantsystematics.com/qikan/manage/wenzhang/aps06141.pdfto

> check on Muthu ji's query,

> The PDF article: *The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the species of Physalis
> *  is interesting; talks about confusion regarding *P. minima* on Indian
> subcontinent
> It highlights one species confused for other. *P. minima* has naturalized

> pan-tropically, is a fact.
> However, its description could be loose enough for mistaking it for another

> species, at least on the Indian subcontinent, specifically *P. lagascae*.
>
> As per this article, my posted plant could be thus *P. lagascae*.
>
> Comments please.
>
> Regards.
>
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[tanay bose]

Thank you Shrikant Ji,
For indicating the difference and focusing on the minor point which was important for the identification.
Regards
Tanay

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much, Shrikant ji ... this is an interesting turn to the ID !!.

But, slightly confused ... Missouri Plants site [ http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellowalt/Physalis_longifolia_page.html ] describes the flower to be pendant, have purple at base (in the photo illustrated however looks the typical brown), have purple filaments, and the yellow anthers look very different. Would picture the flower of P. longifolia hanging like Trichodesma species.


Regards.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:24 AM, shrikant ingalhalikar <le...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“I 've also read the mentioned paper "The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the species of Physalis". This way u are right ur photograph matche with P. lagascae
Satish”

 

“Nice to read all the descriptions as well as the links.

The plant posted earlier by me also appears to be same P. lagascae

Dr Phadke”

 

“Undoubtedly this plant is Physalis  lagascae  very common around Kolkata and West Bengal along with Physalis minima. P minima is always given in B.Sc classes for taxonomic studies even I did it.
Regards
Tanay”

"This plant would be P. longifolia Nutt. since corolla has brown spots
at base. This plant was named as P. minima in FOS later corrected to
above. P. minima is included in FFOS. Regards, Shrikant"

 

"Thank you very much, Shrikant ji ... this is an interesting turn to the ID !!.

But, slightly confused ... Missouri Plants site [ http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellowalt/Physalis_longifolia_page.html ] describes the flower to be pendant, have purple at base (in the photo illustrated however looks the typical brown), have purple filaments, and the yellow anthers look very different. Would picture the flower of P. longifolia hanging like Trichodesma species." from Dinesh ji.

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"This plant name Physalis minima L. from Solanaceae family
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing  again for Id confirmation 

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“I 've also read the mentioned paper "The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the species of Physalis". This way u are right ur photograph matche with P. lagascae
Satish”

 

“Nice to read all the descriptions as well as the links.

The plant posted earlier by me also appears to be same P. lagascae

Dr Phadke”

 

“Undoubtedly this plant is Physalis  lagascae  very common around Kolkata and West Bengal along with Physalis minima. P minima is always given in B.Sc classes for taxonomic studies even I did it.
Regards
Tanay”

"This plant would be P. longifolia Nutt. since corolla has brown spots
at base. This plant was named as P. minima in FOS later corrected to
above. P. minima is included in FFOS. Regards, Shrikant"

 

"Thank you very much, Shrikant ji ... this is an interesting turn to the ID !!.

But, slightly confused ... Missouri Plants site [ http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellowalt/Physalis_longifolia_page.html ] describes the flower to be pendant, have purple at base (in the photo illustrated however looks the typical brown), have purple filaments, and the yellow anthers look very different. Would picture the flower of P. longifolia hanging like Trichodesma species." from Dinesh ji.

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[JM Garg]

Resurfacing  again for Id confirmation 

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“I 've also read the mentioned paper "The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the species of Physalis". This way u are right ur photograph matche with P. lagascae
Satish”

 

“Nice to read all the descriptions as well as the links.
The plant posted earlier by me also appears to be same P. lagascae

Dr Phadke”

 

“Undoubtedly this plant is Physalis  lagascae  very common around Kolkata and West Bengal along with Physalis minima. P minima is always given in B.Sc classes for taxonomic studies even I did it.
Regards
Tanay”

"This plant would be P. longifolia Nutt. since corolla has brown spots at base. This plant was named as P. minima in FOS later corrected to above. P. minima is included in FFOS. Regards, Shrikant"

 

"Thank you very much, Shrikant ji ... this is an interesting turn to the ID !!.

But, slightly confused ... Missouri Plants site [ http://www.missouriplants.com/Yellowalt/Physalis_longifolia_page.html ] describes the flower to be pendant, have purple at base (in the photo illustrated however looks the typical brown), have purple filaments, and the yellow anthers look very different. Would picture the flower of P. longifolia hanging like Trichodesma species." from Dinesh ji.

 

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

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I think it should be Physalis angulata L. as per images and details herein.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Garg ji for resurfacing the post and resolving the ID.

Regards.

Dinesh