Request for ID - 271010RA1

[Rashida Atthar]

Request ID of this tree with persistent calyx fruits. The leaves have wavy margins, oblong, acute, glaucous texture, prominent middle venation.  Seen  at Matheran, Mah., on 24 Oct '10. 

Thankyou.

 

 

regards,

Rashida.

 

[Jayanta]

Diospyros sp.

[Pankaj Kumar]

Diospyros for sure.... may be as simple as malabarica.
Pankaj

2010/10/27 Jayanta <puspan...@yahoo.com>:
> Diospyros sp.
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[Neil Soares]

Hi Rashida,    This is Diospyros condolleana locally called Kalino.                           Regards,                            Neil. --- On Wed, 10/27/10, Rashida Atthar <atthar....@gmail.com> wrote:

[Divakar]

Dear Neilji,
It cannot be D. candolleana where the leaves are more or less oblong
(elongated) and is an evergreen tree.

This plant appears to be deciduous and may be close to D. montana or
D. cordifolia.
-Divakar

On Oct 27, 9:39 pm, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Rashida,
>    This is Diospyros condolleana locally called Kalino.
>                           Regards,
>                            Neil.
>

> --- On Wed, 10/27/10, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Neil Soares]

Hi Dr.Mesta,  Thanks for your comments.     Have studied the flora of Matheran with Mr.B.G.Gavade [Dr.Almeida's student]. Don't think this is D.cordifolia which has strong often branched thorns scattered over the trunk and larger branches. Also don't think it is Govindu / Maskudal [D.montana]. Have it on my farm.    Also have not figured out how you deduced this is a deciduous tree ?                             Regards,                              Neil Soares. --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Divakar <divaka...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Rashida Atthar]

Thanks to all for the leads. Neil I think this is not D. candolleana- having recently seen and posted the pics of the tree ided by Dr. Almeida at Amboli.

 

Thanks Divakar ji for the possible alternatives Shall await further inputs.  

 

regards,

Rashida.

[geeta arun]

Dear Rashida,Neil & friend,

It could be Diospyros sylvetica. Ref:- Flora of Maharashtra- Vol 3-page 177.

Geeta.

[Rashida Atthar]

Thanks Geeta. Just checked, I find D. sylvatica  description of the bark as coloured, thin, smooth, leaves elliptic and paler beneath not quite matching. I find D. montana slightly more matching. Hope to get more expert opinions.

 

regards,

Rashida.

[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for Id

Earlier feedback

Pankaj ji................................................Diospyros for sure.... may be as simple as malabarica.

Neil ji....................................................  This is Diospyros condolleana locally called Kalino.

Divakar ji................................................t cannot be D. candolleana where the leaves are more or less oblong

(elongated) and is an evergreen tree. This plant appears to be deciduous and may be close to D. montana or
D. cordifolia.

Neil ji......................................................    Have studied the flora of Matheran with Mr.B.G.Gavade [Dr.Almeida's student]. Don't think this is D.cordifolia which has strong often branched thorns scattered over the trunk and larger branches. Also don't think it is Govindu / Maskudal [D.montana]. Have it on my farm.    Also have not figured out how you deduced this is a deciduous tree ?

Rashida ji....................................................Thanks to all for the leads. Neil I think this is not D. candolleana- having recently seen and posted the pics of the tree ided by Dr. Almeida at Amboli.

Geeta ji.......................................................It could be Diospyros sylvetica. Ref:- Flora of Maharashtra- Vol 3-page 177.

Rashida ji....................................................Thanks Geeta. Just checked, I find D. sylvatica  description of the bark as coloured, thin, smooth, leaves elliptic and paler beneath not quite matching. I find D. montana slightly more matching. Hope to get more expert opinions.

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[J.M. Garg]

Resurfacing again for Id

Earlier feedback

Jayanta ji..............................................Diospyros sp.

Pankaj ji................................................Diospyros for sure.... may be as simple as malabarica.
Neil ji....................................................  This is Diospyros condolleana locally called Kalino.

Divakar ji................................................It cannot be D. candolleana where the leaves are more or less oblong

(elongated) and is an evergreen tree. This plant appears to be deciduous and may be close to D. montana or
D. cordifolia.
Neil ji......................................................    Have studied the flora of Matheran with Mr.B.G.Gavade [Dr.Almeida's student]. Don't think this is D.cordifolia which has strong often branched thorns scattered over the trunk and larger branches. Also don't think it is Govindu / Maskudal [D.montana]. Have it on my farm.    Also have not figured out how you deduced this is a deciduous tree ?
Rashida ji....................................................Thanks to all for the leads. Neil I think this is not D. candolleana- having recently seen and posted the pics of the tree ided by Dr. Almeida at Amboli.
Geeta ji.......................................................It could be Diospyros sylvetica. Ref:- Flora of Maharashtra- Vol 3-page 177.
Rashida ji....................................................Thanks Geeta. Just checked, I find D. sylvatica  description of the bark as coloured, thin, smooth, leaves elliptic and paler beneath not quite matching. I find D. montana slightly more matching. Hope to get more expert opinions.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for Id

Earlier feedback

Jayanta ji..............................................Diospyros sp.

Pankaj ji................................................Diospyros for sure.... may be as simple as malabarica.
Neil ji....................................................  This is Diospyros condolleana locally called Kalino.

Divakar ji................................................It cannot be D. candolleana where the leaves are more or less oblong

(elongated) and is an evergreen tree. This plant appears to be deciduous and may be close to D. montana or
D. cordifolia.
Neil ji......................................................    Have studied the flora of Matheran with Mr.B.G.Gavade [Dr.Almeida's student]. Don't think this is D.cordifolia which has strong often branched thorns scattered over the trunk and larger branches. Also don't think it is Govindu / Maskudal [D.montana]. Have it on my farm.    Also have not figured out how you deduced this is a deciduous tree ?
Rashida ji....................................................Thanks to all for the leads. Neil I think this is not D. candolleana- having recently seen and posted the pics of the tree ided by Dr. Almeida at Amboli.
Geeta ji.......................................................It could be Diospyros sylvetica. Ref:- Flora of Maharashtra- Vol 3-page 177.
Rashida ji....................................................Thanks Geeta. Just checked, I find D. sylvatica  description of the bark as coloured, thin, smooth, leaves elliptic and paler beneath not quite matching. I find D. montana slightly more matching. Hope to get more expert opinions.

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[JM Garg]

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To me it appears more closer to Diospyros melanoxylon Roxb.  as per images herein. Also see images at Diospyros melanoxylon ?

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[J.M. Garg]

As per threads: Diospyros for ID : 060111 : AK-1 & 12082015KSB1 for identification, looks similar to Diospyros malabarica (Desr.) Kostel.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Viplav ji.

Based on your Id in another thread: Can it be Diospyros montana Roxb. only ?

[vip...@gmail.com]

Yes, this appears to be Diospyros montana Roxb. [Ebenaceae].

Best wishes, Viplav

El 9 de febrero de 2017, 11:41, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> escribió:

Hi, Viplav ji.

Based on your Id in another thread: Can it be Diospyros montana Roxb. only ?

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Cc: Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com>, Divakar <divaka...@gmail.com>, geeta arun <geeta...@gmail.com>

As per threads: Diospyros for ID : 060111 : AK-1 & 12082015KSB1 for identification, looks similar to Diospyros malabarica (Desr.) Kostel.

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Cc: Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com>, Divakar <divaka...@gmail.com>, geeta arun <geeta...@gmail.com>

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Viplav ji

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Divakar ji.

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From: Divakar Mesta <divaka...@gmail.com>
Date: 11 February 2017 at 00:04
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:257711] Request for ID - 271010RA1
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Sir, 

big gap of field exposure, rarely going to forest these days.

*Trunk appears typical of Diospyros montana.

Leaves are not of typical D. montana of Goa & Karnataka W. Ghjats.

I have seen Diospyros melanoxylon only is Sagar, Shimoga (Karnataka) and the leaves were no at all glabrous, shiny. 

Regards

-Divakar Mesta