SK 2941 06 August 2021

Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 6, 2021, 5:03:10 AM8/6/21

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Dear Members,

Location: Phulchoki, Lalitpur

Altitude: 1600m.

Date: 11 March 2021

Habit : Wild

Vernonia??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 6, 2021, 5:03:33 AM8/6/21

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 6, 2021, 5:03:48 AM8/6/21

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 6, 2021, 5:03:59 AM8/6/21

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Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 6, 2021, 5:04:14 AM8/6/21

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J.M. Garg

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Aug 15, 2021, 2:41:10 AM8/15/21

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By checking all the species at Species with distribution in annotated checklist of Flowering plants of Nepal, closest I can go is Vernonia subsessilis as per GBIF specimens- one, two and three. But I feel phyllaries are a bit different.

As per comparative images at Vernonieae, it appears close to images and details at Decaneuropsis vagans (Wall. ex DC.) H. Rob. & Skvarla, but distribution is shown only upto the border of Nepal as per POWO and CoL.

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J.M. Garg

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Aug 22, 2021, 7:11:14 AM8/22/21

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Awaiting your feedback pl.

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surajit koley

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Aug 28, 2021, 1:02:21 PM8/28/21

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I am not sure for both the cases, you referred, Garg Sir. Leaves of Decaneuropsis vagans look like having entire margins, not dentate. Please also check probability of Acilepis squarrosa D.Don, though I am not sure of it either.

Thank you

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surajit

J.M. Garg

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Sep 1, 2021, 8:05:29 AM9/1/21

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Thanks, Surajit ji.

Yes, I agree.

That also puts Decaneuropsis vagans (Wall. ex DC.) H. Rob. & Skvarla under doubt as leaves are not entire.

Also looks different from Acilepis squarrosa D.Don as per GBIF specimens- one and two.

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J.M. Garg

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Sep 1, 2021, 8:09:38 AM9/1/21

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But, it appears to be the same plant as posted by sawmliana ji at MS March,2018/05 Vernonia sp. for ID

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J.M.Garg

surajit koley

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Sep 2, 2021, 11:21:13 AM9/2/21

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I told you Sir, that I am not sure about Acilepis squarrosa D.Don.

Now, after a little searching I come across more than one probability, for I do not have description (1) herb, or climber (Sawmliana ji's guess), or shrub, size of the head(s) etc.

However, first check the probability of Gymnanthemum extensum (DC.) Steetz and let me know your view (then I will try alternatives). You may visit -

J.M. Garg

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Sep 6, 2021, 2:23:46 AM9/6/21

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Thanks, Surajit ji.

Some possibility is there, but looks different as per images at Gymnanthemum extensum

I think the posted plant by Saroj ji appears to be scandent from the first image.

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Sep 6, 2021, 2:30:36 AM9/6/21

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Further open flowers will help as buds can be deceptive many times.

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surajit koley

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Sep 6, 2021, 12:21:18 PM9/6/21

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Well, Sir, Vernonia extensa DC (.Gymnanthemum extensum (DC.) Steetz) is an erect 6-8 ft herb. So, it is now rejected as a possibility.

There are a number of scandent Vernoia that have similar phyllaries. One is V. scandens = Decaneuropsis obovata (Gaudich.) H.Rob.. But it has no distribution in Nepal (KEW).

Another one is Vernonia andersonii C.B.Clarke., which is not in this case.

We may need to look further.

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surajit

Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 6, 2021, 12:38:36 PM9/6/21

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Thank you Surajit Ji !

Any match to https://www.gbif.org/species/7606259 !

Saroj Kasaju

surajit koley

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Sep 7, 2021, 10:58:14 AM9/7/21

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Two problems for V. scandens, Saroj ji - (1) leaf margin is not entire in your specimen (2) distribution in Nepal is not listed in KEW.

V. blanda of FoC is also similar, but with an entire leaf margin! Similarly V. elliptica also have an entire leaf margin.

Yet, I couldn't find any other alternative (of a scandent nature) either in FoC or in Flora of British India.

Thank you.

Regards

surajit

Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 7, 2021, 11:08:17 AM9/7/21

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OK Surajit Ji !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

JM Garg

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Mar 26, 2023, 6:37:45 AM3/26/23

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This is Vernonia saligna as per FoC illustration and as per GBIF specimens (one and two).