Dubia-2 from Kashmir

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dubia-2, a leguminous shrub with pinnate leaves and moniliform pods, grown in newly developed Hazuribagh Garden in Srinagar, Kashmir. Photographed on June 16, 2010.  
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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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[Gurcharan Singh]

resurfacing this shrub from Kashmir for Id

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Vijayasankar]

Looks like a species of Sophora. Probably S. tetraptera.

With regards

Vijayasankar

[Kenneth Greby]

Sophora was my first thought as well, though I'm more familiar with S. affinis  (Eve's Necklace--South Florida), S. secundiflora (Texas Mountain Laurel--desert SW), and S. japonica (exotic, used as a street tree) here in the 'States. These species all have similarly constricted pods.

Regards--
Ken.

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From: Vijayasankar <vijay.b...@gmail.com>
To: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 10:04:26 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:42920] Fwd: Dubia-2 from Kashmir

[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks Kenneth and Vijayasankar ji for important leads. I will explore these and report back. Sophora japonica is a very popular tree in Kashmir grown in gardens and lawns and trained in the shape of an umbrella, and hence called locally as Chhatur kul (umbrella tree). I am uploading it separately.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Having considered the species of Sophora there is possibility of S. tetraptera or S. mollis on the basis of 4-winged pods. Latter has been reported from various places in Western Himalayas including Kashmir, and could be the likely candidate, but as the plant is cultivated in a garden with several European plants, former also has to be considered. I don't have access to the differences between the two species. The information is sought to reach conclusion.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Kenneth Greby]

Dr. Singh--

 I was able to find these two links of (allegedly) S. mollis, though they appear to be quite different from each other. I can't vouch for the ID of either specimen, however.

Regards--
Ken.

http://www.rogerstreesandshrubs.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~7099~gid~~source~gallerydefault.asp

http://www.ncsu.edu/jcraulstonarboretum/photography/raulston_slides/raulston_slides_results.php?pageNum_slides_recordset=13&fullsearch=&box=116&slide=&date=&photographer=&country=&usstate=&city=&location=&keywords=&othernotes=&plantnames=&commonnames=&families=&digitized=&plantnameID=

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From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
To: Kenneth Greby <fst...@yahoo.com>
Cc: Vijayasankar <vijay.b...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, July 31, 2010 2:04:11 AM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:42946] Fwd: Dubia-2 from Kashmir

[promila chaturvedi]

Thank Ken for the links.

Promila

[Rashida Atthar]

Sir Collins small book on Garden tree-pg 165 has the following on Sophora .." Sophora microphylla and Sophora tetraptera both have small, evergreen leaves composed of many small leaflets, from 10 to 40 pairs. They have yellow flowers in small clusters, carried in late winter or spring. They make shrubs or small trees, to 6m (20ft). Sophora japonica is a much taller growing tree, capable of making 20m (67ft) in height and spread."

There is tiny picture of Sophora microphylla in the book, the leaves are longer in your  plant but the branching pattern is the same, so it looks more like your Pics are of Sophora tetraptera.    

regards,

Rashida. 

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Looks like a species of Sophora. Probably S. tetraptera.

With regards

Vijayasankar”

 

“Having considered the species of Sophora there is possibility of S. tetraptera or S. mollis on the basis of 4-winged pods. Latter has been reported from various places in Western Himalayas including Kashmir, and could be the likely candidate, but as the plant is cultivated in a garden with several European plants, former also has to be considered. I don't have access to the differences between the two species. The information is sought to reach conclusion.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh”

 

“Sir Collins small book on Garden tree-pg 165 has the following on Sophora .." Sophora microphylla and Sophora tetraptera both have small, evergreen leaves composed of many small leaflets, from 10 to 40 pairs. They have yellow flowers in small clusters, carried in late winter or spring. They make shrubs or small trees, to 6m (20ft). Sophora japonica is a much taller growing tree, capable of making 20m (67ft) in height and spread."

There is tiny picture of Sophora microphylla in the book, the leaves are longer in your  plant but the branching pattern is the same, so it looks more like your Pics are of Sophora tetraptera.   

regards,
Rashida. ”

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Date: 27 July 2010 17:59
Subject: [efloraofindia:42447] Dubia-2 from Kashmir
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Looks like a species of Sophora. Probably S. tetraptera.

With regards

Vijayasankar”

 

“Having considered the species of Sophora there is possibility of S. tetraptera or S. mollis on the basis of 4-winged pods. Latter has been reported from various places in Western Himalayas including Kashmir, and could be the likely candidate, but as the plant is cultivated in a garden with several European plants, former also has to be considered. I don't have access to the differences between the two species. The information is sought to reach conclusion.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh”

 

“Sir Collins small book on Garden tree-pg 165 has the following on Sophora .." Sophora microphylla and Sophora tetraptera both have small, evergreen leaves composed of many small leaflets, from 10 to 40 pairs. They have yellow flowers in small clusters, carried in late winter or spring. They make shrubs or small trees, to 6m (20ft). Sophora japonica is a much taller growing tree, capable of making 20m (67ft) in height and spread."

There is tiny picture of Sophora microphylla in the book, the leaves are longer in your  plant but the branching pattern is the same, so it looks more like your Pics are of Sophora tetraptera.   

regards,
Rashida. ”

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:29 AM
Subject: Dubia-2 from Kashmir
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Having seen the fruits of of two species it is seen that fruit segments of S. tetraptera are much closer, separated by constriction much shorter than segments. In S. mollis on other hand segments are separated by constriction much longer, and segments are fewer in number.

S. tetraptera

Kowhai, Sophora tetraptera (Fabales: Fabaceae (Leguminosae)) - 1316050 (ipmimages.org)

41602FP00_w.jpg (367×550) (naturespic.com)

41599FP00_w.jpg (367×550) (naturespic.com)

S. mollis

sophoramollis2+.jpg (685×448) (futuregardens.pl)

sophoramollis1+.jpg (685×448) (futuregardens.pl)

That clearly identifies my plant as S. mollis

I am attaching more images of fruit taken two years later, that identifies it clearly as S. mollis var. mollis

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 22:08
Subject: Fwd: Dubia-2 from Kashmir
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Sophora alopecuroides L. ??

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 18:37
Subject: Re: Dubia-2 from Kashmir
To: Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, eflor...@gmail.com <eflor...@gmail.com>

Not S. alopecuroides Saroj ji, which is a smaller herb or undershrub, and more important does not have winged pods, clearly seen here.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

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On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 10:08 PM Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sophora alopecuroides L. ??

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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Date: Friday, October 15, 2010 at 4:16:37 AM UTC+5:45
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