Plant for ID : Mumbai : 06AUG21 : AK-02

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Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 6, 2021, 4:08:42 AM8/6/21
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A small shrub seen at Sanjay Gandhi National Park in the month of Feb,21.
Commiphora?
Aarti
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Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 6, 2021, 4:21:31 AM8/6/21
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Images not so clear . Malvaceae ??
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Aug 6, 2021, 6:03:43 AM8/6/21
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Yes, ma'am seems Commiphora mukul,
With regards. 




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Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 6, 2021, 11:28:50 PM8/6/21
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Saroj Ji,
Thanks for the suggested id.
Regards,
Aarti

Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 6, 2021, 11:31:40 PM8/6/21
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Thanks a lot Paradesi Ji.
I have seen a lot of Commiphora shrubs in Oman.
That's why I suggested.
Regards,
Aarti 

Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Aug 7, 2021, 12:02:27 AM8/7/21
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Always welcome ma'am. 



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Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 7, 2021, 1:56:51 AM8/7/21
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Thank you.

J.M. Garg

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Aug 15, 2021, 7:14:30 AM8/15/21
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Hi, Aarti ji,
Pl. post high res. images to check the details.
As per FoPI, six species are represented, including three represented in efi at Commiphora
Commiphora stocksiana (Engl.) Engl. looks different as per FoP illustration (3-5 foliate), GBIF
Commiphora gileadensis (L.) C.Chr. (3-5 foliate) also looks different as per illustration

The Taxonomy of Commiphora mukul (Not listed in FoPI) also appears confusing with POWO giving it an accepted name, while CoL and Flora of Pakistan, giving it as a syn. of Commiphora wightii (Arn.) Bhandari


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J.M. Garg

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Aug 15, 2021, 7:18:47 AM8/15/21
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I can see unifoliate leaves with some serration at the upper portion, so it may be as per suggestion by Paradesi ji as per Flora of Pakistan (Leaves sessile, alternate or fascicled, 1-3-foliolate; leaflets glabrous, the terminal sessile or subsessile, obovate, serrate (sometimes serrate only towards the apex), 1-5 cm long, 0.5-2.5 cm broad, lateral when present sessile, serrate or entire, less than half the size of the terminal leaflet).
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J.M. Garg

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Aug 15, 2021, 7:24:18 AM8/15/21
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Commiphora berryi is also 3-foliate as per images and references at Commiphora berryi (Arn.) Engl. 
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Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 16, 2021, 4:57:33 AM8/16/21
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Garg Ji,
Really sorry for the delay.
Adding high resolution images.
Regards,
Aarti
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Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 16, 2021, 4:58:40 AM8/16/21
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Second image.
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Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 16, 2021, 5:07:06 AM8/16/21
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This was the whole plant if it helps.
Aarti
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radha veach

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Aug 20, 2021, 1:14:18 PM8/20/21
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Hi Aarti,
do you remember where in SGNP you saw this plant?

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Radha

Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 20, 2021, 10:38:21 PM8/20/21
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Radha Ji,
There is a train ride inside the park. 
This plant was near the station, next to the tracks.
Regards,
Aarti

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radha veach

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Aug 21, 2021, 12:26:38 PM8/21/21
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Thanks, Aarti ji,
I think this plant is Streblus asper in stunted form.
It's true there is a superficial similarity with Commiphora but it is very unlikely to be growing in this location.  The bark in the photos is a little different from Commiphora and none of the branches are ending in spines.
I have sometimes observed shrubby individuals of Streblus just like this one. It's likely that the plant may have been repeatedly cut back or damaged as it is growing in a public place.

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Radha

Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 21, 2021, 10:34:12 PM8/21/21
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Dear Radha Ji
You are absolutely brilliant. 
Your keen observation could catch the differences between the two. 
Thanks a lot. 
Regards,
Aarti

radha veach

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Aug 21, 2021, 11:20:53 PM8/21/21
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Thank you Aarti,
keep posting interesting puzzles!
regards
Radha

Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 21, 2021, 11:47:29 PM8/21/21
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Yes Radha Ji. 
The Sesame plant in Mumbai, the tree in Kasara Ghat and now this! 
And you are able to solve them all. 
Thank you.
Aarti

J.M. Garg

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Aug 28, 2021, 5:50:09 AM8/28/21
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I am yet to reconcile myself with this being Streblus asper as per images and details herein, though I am not ignoring that possibilty.
I still feel it may be Commiphora wightii as per images and details herein. 




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J.M. Garg

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Aug 28, 2021, 8:33:33 AM8/28/21
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Hi, Radha ji,
I have no idea about it.
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On Sat, 28 Aug, 2021, 5:20 pm radha veach, <radha...@gmail.com> wrote:
Garg ji,
Have you ever tried growing Commiphota in the Bombay climate?

radha veach

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Aug 28, 2021, 9:57:32 AM8/28/21
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What I mean is this plant doesn't make it here!  

Regards
Radha

J.M. Garg

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Aug 28, 2021, 10:13:20 AM8/28/21
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Ok. Thanks, Radha ji


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Aarti S. Khale

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Aug 28, 2021, 10:14:48 AM8/28/21
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Radha Ji, 
Thanks for your valuable information. 
Regards,
Aarti
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