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Madhuri Raut

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Sep 20, 2011, 12:50:57 AM9/20/11

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Dear members,

Is this Audumbar tree with umbars?

Has anyone seen the flower of this tree . I learn that the flower is within the fruit.

Would like to see the pic if possible.

My gardner told me some story that it is very rare to see the flower of this tree. Only blessed people get to se it . It is a huge flower as big as a cart wheel and very pretty? What is this he is talking about or just a myth.

Also there is some gum like white thing on the bark. Is it gum?

Regards

Bhagyashri

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Giby Kuriakose

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Sep 20, 2011, 8:37:54 AM9/20/11

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I think this is a species of Ficus. Do you have a close up picture of leaves?

Regards,

Giby

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Neil Soares

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Sep 20, 2011, 9:03:25 AM9/20/11

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Hi,

This looks like Umber [ Ficus racemosa syn .Ficus glomerata]. The fig is a syconus with the flowers turned outside in. Please read Pradip Kishen's 'Trees of Delhi' pages 321 - 323 to get a proper perspective on the nature of the flowers and pollination process.

My photographs are available at this link :

https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/2559e8cd33f9b853/14ad989a79d02dd0?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Different+Strokes+Neil+Soares#14ad989a79d02dd0

With regards,

Neil Soares.

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Madhuri Raut

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Sep 20, 2011, 9:46:55 AM9/20/11

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Thank you Gibyji and Neilji. I have seen a lot of these fruits on the tree. It is opposite my house but what I want to see are its flowers . I learn that they are within the fruit but the flower should bloom before the fruit so why do we not get to see it. Has anyone ?

Regards

Bhagyashri

Giby Kuriakose

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Sep 20, 2011, 12:48:06 PM9/20/11

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If you want to see the flowers of Ficus you have to split open the figs at its early-mid stages (mostly before it turns its color).

In bisexual figs the male flowers would be arranged very close to the ostiole (small opening at the opposite end of the stalk) and the female flowers are seen at the base towards the stalk.

In some cases you may see only male or female flower in one fig or figs of an individual (eg. Ficus tictoria).

Regards

Giby

Madhuri Raut

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Sep 20, 2011, 11:27:16 PM9/20/11

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@Gibyji

Ok I will try it. Thank You for your guidance.

Regards
Bhagyashri

Madhuri Raut

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Sep 21, 2011, 5:43:52 AM9/21/11

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Attaching pics of cut unripe fruit. but I cannot follow the flower identification.

Regards

Bhagyashri

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Gurcharan Singh

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Sep 21, 2011, 6:52:20 AM9/21/11

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Madhuri ji

So called unripe fruit of yours is an inflorescence containing flowers and known as hypanthodium. When ovary ripens and the colour changes, it turns into syconus fruit.

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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
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Madhuri Raut

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Sep 21, 2011, 8:18:32 AM9/21/11

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Thank you Gurcharanji. Having read about this type of inflorescence I now understand that figs and wasps are a clear example of coevolution. . very interesting.

Regards

Bhagyashri

Madhuri Raut

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Sep 22, 2011, 7:21:15 AM9/22/11

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There is another small Audumbar tree in my vicinity. This is what I found on its leaves. They also looked like the fruits but how can it be on the leaves. Yet I cut open them open and there was an empty cavity. Please identify.

Regards

Bhagyashri

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Madhuri Raut

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Sep 22, 2011, 7:50:43 AM9/22/11

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I hope this is not infestation by insects?

Regards

Bhagyashri

Ushadi micromini

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Sep 22, 2011, 12:13:00 PM9/22/11

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yes they are, they are insect galls...

Usha di
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On Sep 22, 4:50 pm, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hope this is not infestation by insects?
> Regards
> Bhagyashri
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There is another small Audumbar tree in my vicinity. This is what I found
> > on its leaves. They also looked like the fruits but how can it be on the
> > leaves. Yet I cut open them open and there was an empty cavity. Please
> > identify.
> > Regards
> > Bhagyashri
>

> > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Thank you Gurcharanji. Having read about this type of inflorescence I now

> >> understand that figs and wasps are a clear example of coevolution<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coevolution>. .
> >> very interesting.
> >> Regards
> >> Bhagyashri

>
> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Madhuri ji
> >>> So called unripe fruit of yours is an inflorescence containing flowers
> >>> and known as hypanthodium. When ovary ripens and the colour changes, it
> >>> turns into syconus fruit.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> >>> Retired Associate Professor
> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
> >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

> >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Attaching pics of cut unripe fruit. but I cannot follow the flower
> >>>> identification.
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Bhagyashri
>

> >>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>> @Gibyji
> >>>>> Ok I will try it. Thank You for your guidance.
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Bhagyashri
>
> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Giby Kuriakose <

> >>>>> giby.kuriak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> If you want to see the flowers of *Ficus* you have to split open the

> >>>>>> figs at its early-mid stages (mostly before it turns its color).
> >>>>>> In bisexual figs the male flowers would be arranged very close to the
> >>>>>> ostiole (small opening at the opposite end of the stalk) and the female
> >>>>>> flowers are seen at the base towards the stalk.
> >>>>>> In some cases you may see only male or female flower in one fig or

> >>>>>> figs of an individual (eg. *Ficus tictoria*).
>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>> Giby

>
> >>>>>> On 20 September 2011 19:16, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Thank you Gibyji and Neilji. I have seen a lot of these fruits on the
> >>>>>>> tree. It is opposite my house but what I want to see are its flowers . I
> >>>>>>> learn that they are within the fruit but the flower should bloom before the
> >>>>>>> fruit so why do we not get to see it. Has anyone ?
> >>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>> Bhagyashri
>

> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Neil Soares <drneilsoa...@yahoo.com

> >>>>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>> This looks like Umber [ Ficus racemosa syn .Ficus glomerata]. The
> >>>>>>>> fig is a syconus with the flowers turned outside in. Please read Pradip
> >>>>>>>> Kishen's 'Trees of Delhi' pages 321 - 323 to get a proper perspective on the
> >>>>>>>> nature of the flowers and pollination process.
> >>>>>>>> My photographs are available at this link :
>

> >>>>>>>>https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/25...
>
> >>>>>>>> With regards,
> >>>>>>>> Neil Soares.
>
> >>>>>>>> --- On *Tue, 9/20/11, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com>* wrote:

Madhuri Raut

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Sep 22, 2011, 12:14:18 PM9/22/11

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Thank you Ushadi

Regards

Bhagyashri

Ushadi micromini

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Sep 22, 2011, 12:17:58 PM9/22/11

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ps.. often a gall is enlarged cell/s of the leaf itself in reaction to
injury often by insect bites, larvae or eggs attachments... I have
seen slimy stuff around or inside some very large galls on leaves... I
personally would not dissect on one inside the house or near my
healthy plants..
not knowing plant pathology too well, I would stay away from opening
them inside the house or near my cherished plants...

Gurcharanji... are there any textbooks accounts on Galls on leaves...
or pdf file?
Thanks Ushadi

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On Sep 22, 4:50 pm, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I hope this is not infestation by insects?
> Regards
> Bhagyashri
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There is another small Audumbar tree in my vicinity. This is what I found
> > on its leaves. They also looked like the fruits but how can it be on the
> > leaves. Yet I cut open them open and there was an empty cavity. Please
> > identify.
> > Regards
> > Bhagyashri
>