Coorg Forest tree -- pls. id AS_28052012

[greenearth]

Pls id this Coorg forest tree flowering in  February.
Thanks and regardsA..Sinha 

[Satish Phadke]

Some Elaeocarpus species. Rudraksha tree.

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:10 PM, greenearth <sinha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Pls id this Coorg forest tree flowering in  February.
Thanks and regardsA..Sinha 

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[greenearth]

Satish-ji,  Thanks for the pointer,
regards
A.Sinha

[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Some Elaeocarpus species. Rudraksha tree.” from Phadke ji.          

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[jmgarg1]

A reply from Anil Rajbhar ji:

"Its look like Elaeocarpus serratus L.f, i have seen this tree very common around Lingmala forest , Panchgani, its local name is Kashav, fruits edible."

[navendu page]

There seems to be lot of confusion in the nomenclature of WG's Elaeocarpus.

I think this is Elaeocarpus oblongus (=E. variabilis, = E.glandulosus, = E.tectorius). Plant list for some reasons treats E.oblongus and E.variabilis as distinct taxa.

E. serratus is very similar but slightly distinct in floral characters. Both these species occur in Coorg, however only the prior is found in Mahabaleshwar.

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For me Its look like E. serratus?

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[Giby Kuriakose]

I agree with Navendu. 

Please see the link  https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/9P1bPeCgrSU 

to access an earlier discussion in this group. 

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[jmgarg1]

I am taking it as Elaeocarpus oblongus auct. non. Gaertn. 1788 as per referred book links given below & modifying efi site page accordingly to https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/elaeaocarpaceae/elaeocarpus/elaeocarpus-oblongus-1 from Elaeocarpus oblongus Gaertn. earlier:

 

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=eo-dTjK53O8C&pg=PA124&dq=elaeocarpus+oblongus&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BOS5UN_bF4r3rQeJzYDwDQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=elaeocarpus%20oblongus&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=pSXidQZupHYC&pg=PA191&dq=elaeocarpus+oblongus&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BOS5UN_bF4r3rQeJzYDwDQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=elaeocarpus%20oblongus&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RA4Npohz4CEC&pg=PA473&dq=elaeocarpus+oblongus&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BOS5UN_bF4r3rQeJzYDwDQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=elaeocarpus%20oblongus&f=false

The Plant list & GRIN only mentions Elaeocarpus oblongus Gaertn. I think we (those who do not have botanical books like me) have to refer to such book links in future to get correct species with proper author citation.

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[greenearth]

Could someone please enlighten me on how to distinguish this as E.oblongus ?

The leaves and mature red leaves seem to be common to all species.
The bark is grey , mottled with black patches ( peeling bark??), while serraatus and sphericus are reported to have brownish barks.

Thanks,
A. Sinha

Some history of this Tree:
This tree stands outside the  Nalknad palace/Hunting lodge, the last refuge of the last Kodava ( Coorgi) king who ousted Tipu from Coorg, but was finally vanquished by the British.  It was then the thickest forest , and this tree was perhaps a sapling.

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A reply:

"PLEASE SEE MY BOOK 'FOREST TREES OF THE WESTERN GHATS." from Sh. S G Neginhal.

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