Fwd: Osmunda claytonia L. 'The Interrupted Fern' on Khelanmarg

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding for validation or otherwise Pl.

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From: "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Date: 16 Dec 2016 11:23 am
Subject: Osmunda claytonia L. 'The Interrupted Fern' on Khelanmarg
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

I was surprised to find no postings of this fern from Kashmir but note O.regalis was posted from the same

location.  

Would our fern expert kindly pass his eye over the attached images (my apologies for not taking any

shots of the undersides of the fronds)?   I was not feeling at all well that day (and had already developed, at that

time an undiagnosed condition - I just thought I was "slowing down due to getting older).

Along with: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/JivZOKfrdB4

According to Stewart, Osmunda claytonia known as 'The Interrupted Fern' is gregarious on forest banks and grassy

hillsides usually above 2400m.  Recorded from Hazara, Poonch whilst abundant in Kashmir.

He considered that Osmunda regalis had only been recorded from Hazara with no records from Kashmir. 

Rather odd, I have a copy of 'Plants of Gulmarg (Kashmir)' by A Naqshi, G Singh & K Koul (1984) which lists

Osmunda claytonia as common among bushes on Khillenmarg which appears to support Stewart.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Dr. Chris.

Yeah, that will be really nice of you.

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From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins
Date: 16 December 2016 at 19:14
Subject: Re: Fwd: Osmunda claytonia L. 'The Interrupted Fern' on Khelanmarg
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Could I suggest some more authoritative and up-to-date Indian fern-literature, to avoid these long-solved problems of half a Century ago?

Chris F.-J.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: chrischadwell261@btinternet.com; Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016, 11:44
Subject: Fwd: Osmunda claytonia L. 'The Interrupted Fern' on Khelanmarg

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[C CHADWELL]

Yes, Chris, this would be helpful for those taking an interest in ferns.

As I said in my recent post, a pity that more authoritative  and up-to-date literature

does not exist for FLOWERING plants of NW Himalaya. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: chrischa...@btinternet.com
Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2016, 3:39
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Osmunda claytonia L. 'The Interrupted Fern' on Khelanmarg

Thanks, Dr. Chris.

Yeah, that will be really nice of you.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins
Date: 16 December 2016 at 19:14
Subject: Re: Fwd: Osmunda claytonia L. 'The Interrupted Fern' on Khelanmarg
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Could I suggest some more authoritative and up-to-date Indian fern-literature, to avoid these long-solved problems of half a Century ago?

Chris F.-J.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups. com>

Cc: chrischadwell261@btinternet. com; Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>

[JM Garg]

[J.M. Garg]

I think it may be O. claytoniana subsp. vestita (POWO mentions it as a syn. of Osmunda pilosa Wall. ex Grev. & Hook.) as suggested by Chris ji at Osmunda regalis from Kashmir-GSJUN09

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From: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 at 11:23
Subject: Osmunda claytonia L. 'The Interrupted Fern' on Khelanmarg
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

I was surprised to find no postings of this fern from Kashmir but note O.regalis was posted from the same

location.  

Would our fern expert kindly pass his eye over the attached images (my apologies for not taking any

shots of the undersides of the fronds)?   I was not feeling at all well that day (and had already developed, at that

time an undiagnosed condition - I just thought I was "slowing down due to getting older).

Along with: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/JivZOKfrdB4

According to Stewart, Osmunda claytonia known as 'The Interrupted Fern' is gregarious on forest banks and grassy

hillsides usually above 2400m.  Recorded from Hazara, Poonch whilst abundant in Kashmir.

He considered that Osmunda regalis had only been recorded from Hazara with no records from Kashmir. 

Rather odd, I have a copy of 'Plants of Gulmarg (Kashmir)' by A Naqshi, G Singh & K Koul (1984) which lists

Osmunda claytonia as common among bushes on Khillenmarg which appears to support Stewart.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chris ji

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From: Chris Fraser-Jenkins 
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 at 13:45
Subject: Re: Osmunda claytonia L. 'The Interrupted Fern' on Khelanmarg
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Best not to be confused.  This species is extremely well known throughout the Himalaya, distribution and synonymy is all in Indian Checklist vol. 1.

O. regalis has never been confused with it, a quite different group.  Anyway O. regalis does not occur in India where O. japonica replaces it. Just look in IC 1 and you will also see them illustrated in our new Jammu & Kashmir ferns book, Khullar, Kirn and I, releasing in a few weeks, and as long published by me in 1992, and in Indian Fern J. 2013.  Distributions all well known and many collections cited.  Stewart was good, but prehistoric compared to modern Indian fern data.

All this was sorted out and clarified years ago and there has been no confusion for decades.

Best,

    Chris F.J.

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Gurcharan Singh]

In most recent revision by PPG 1 in 2016 it has been removed to separate genus under the name   Claytosmunda claytoniana subsp. vestita (Milde) Lehnert