Wildflowers, Lama, Eaglenest - ID help.

[Mohan Kemparaju]

Hi All,
I made this image in Lama, Eaglenest NP, Arunachal Pradesh
About 2400 m from sea level.
Would appreciate the id.

Regards
Mohan

[sibda...@gmail.com]

Is it a Primula? Sibdas Ghosh

On Apr 7, 10:03 pm, "Mohan Kemparaju" <mohan.kempar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>  _MG_9241_itpixs.jpg
> 177KViewDownload

[J.M. Garg]

Looks like a Primula sp.

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[J.M. Garg]

Here is some extracts from Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primula

Primula is a genus of 400-500 species of low-growing herbs in the family Primulaceae. They include primrose, auricula, cowslip and oxlip. Many species are grown for their ornamental flowers. They are native to the temperate Northern Hemisphere, south into high altitude tropical mountains in Ethiopia, Indonesia and New Guinea, and are also found in temperate southern South America.

Perennial primulas bloom mostly during the spring; their flowers can be purple, yellow, red, pink, or white. Generally, they prefer filtered sunlight. Many species are adapted to high alpine climates.

Both the common name and scientific name refer to it being the first (prime) "rose" to open in spring.

Primroses are used as food plants by the larvae of some Lepidoptera species including Large Yellow Underwing, Lesser Broad-bordered Yellow Underwing, Setaceous Hebrew Character and Silver-ground Carpet.

Some species of Primula are commonly known as polyanthus.

On 4/8/08, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like a Primula sp.

On 4/7/08, sibda...@gmail.com <sibda...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is it a Primula? Sibdas Ghosh

On Apr 7, 10:03 pm, "Mohan Kemparaju" <mohan.kempar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi All,
> I made this image in Lama, Eaglenest NP, Arunachal Pradesh
> About 2400 m from sea level.
> Would appreciate the id.
>
> Regards
> Mohan
>
>  _MG_9241_itpixs.jpg
> 177KViewDownload

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May be Primula bractiosa

On Apr 9, 10:47 am, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is some extracts from Wikipedia link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primula
>

> *Primula* is a genus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genus> of 400-500
> species<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species>of low-growing
> herbs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb> in the family
> Primulaceae<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primulaceae>.
> They include primrose <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primula_vulgaris>,
> auricula <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primula_auricula>,
> cowslip<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primula_veris>and
> oxlip <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primula_elatior>. Many species are grown
> for their ornamental flowers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower>. They are

> native to the temperate Northern

> Hemisphere<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Hemisphere>,

> south into high altitude tropical

> mountains<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain>in
> Ethiopia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia>,
> Indonesia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia>and New
> Guinea <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea>, and are also found in
> temperate southern South America<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America>
> .

>
> Perennial primulas bloom mostly during the

> spring<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_%28season%29>;
> their flowers can be purple <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple>,
> yellow<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow>,
> red <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red>,
> pink<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink>,
> or white <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White>. Generally, they prefer
> filtered sun <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun>light<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light>.

> Many species are adapted to high alpine

> climates<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_climate>
> .

>
> Both the common name and scientific name refer to it being the first (prime)
> "rose" to open in spring.
>
> Primroses are used as food plants by the

> larvae<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larva>of some
> Lepidoptera <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidoptera> species including Large
> Yellow Underwing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Yellow_Underwing>, Lesser
> Broad-bordered Yellow
> Underwing<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_Broad-bordered_Yellow_Underwing>,
> Setaceous Hebrew
> Character<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setaceous_Hebrew_Character>and
> Silver-ground
> Carpet <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver-ground_Carpet>.
>
> Some species of *Primula* are commonly known as polyanthus.

>
> On 4/8/08, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
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> > Looks like a Primula sp.
>

> > On 4/7/08, sibdasgh...@gmail.com <sibdasgh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Is it a Primula? Sibdas Ghosh
>
> > > On Apr 7, 10:03 pm, "Mohan Kemparaju" <mohan.kempar...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I made this image in Lama, Eaglenest NP, Arunachal Pradesh
> > > > About 2400 m from sea level.
> > > > Would appreciate the id.
>
> > > > Regards
> > > > Mohan
>
> > > >  _MG_9241_itpixs.jpg
> > > > 177KViewDownload
>

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> > J.M.Garg
> > "We often ignore the beauty around us"
> > For learning about our trees & plants, please visit/ join Google e-group

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[J.M. Garg]

Looks a bit different from Primula bracteosa. See the link:http://images.google.co.in/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=Primula+bracteosa&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

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[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

Not sure about differences between Primula bracteosa  and Primula gracilipes.  Will need to think further about this.  My understanding is there is a rich variety of Primulas in A.P., an area I am not that familiar with.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji

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[JM Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

May be Primula bractiosa- from Sibdas ji

Looks a bit different from Primula bracteosa. See the link:http://images.google.co.in/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=Primula+bracteosa&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi  - from me

Not sure about differences between Primula bracteosa  and Primula gracilipes.  Will need to think further about this.  My understanding is there is a rich variety of Primulas in A.P., an area I am not that familiar with.- from Chadwell ji

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

May be Primula bractiosa- from Sibdas ji

Looks a bit different from Primula bracteosa. See the link:http://images.google.co.in/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=Primula+bracteosa&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi  - from me

Not sure about differences between Primula bracteosa  and Primula gracilipes.  Will need to think further about this.  My understanding is there is a rich variety of Primulas in A.P., an area I am not that familiar with.- from Chadwell ji

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From: JM Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016, 12:31
Subject: [efloraofindia:257301] Fwd: Wildflowers, Lama, Eaglenest - ID help.

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

May be Primula bractiosa- from Sibdas ji

Looks a bit different from Primula bracteosa. See the link:http://images.google.co. in/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q= Primula+bracteosa&um=1&ie=UTF- 8&sa=N&tab=wi  - from me

Not sure about differences between Primula bracteosa  and Primula gracilipes.  Will need to think further about this.  My understanding is there is a rich variety of Primulas in A.P., an area I am not that familiar with.- from Chadwell ji

On Monday, 7 April 2008 22:33:12 UTC+5:30, Mohan Kemparaju wrote:

Hi All,
I made this image in Lama, Eaglenest NP, Arunachal Pradesh
About 2400 m from sea level.
Would appreciate the id.

Regards
Mohan

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Thanks, Bawri ji

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Date: 22 Nov 2016 5:10 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:257300] Fwd: Wildflowers, Lama, Eaglenest - ID help.
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

The important characters i. e the flowering scape is present or absent is not visible in this image. If it is present than it is P.  Bracteosa or absent than P. gracilips.

Thanks
Amal

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

I have, after typing out what is below, just noticed that the FOI site has the plant photographed from this spot by Mohan identified as P.bracteosa - I wish someone had told me this, if they knew!   Anyhow, it does not alter my thoughts.  If Mohan or anyone else can return to the spot and photograph the plants at the fruiting stage, the 'mystery' will be resolved and give us clues as to what to look out for in the early stages of flowering.  Or if the specimen they come across is in flower, then make sure you look closely to the base of the stalk of an individual flower (i.e. pedicel) to check if it is part of an umbel (and then peduncle) or not.

I am in agreement with the posting by Dr Bawri but would like to elaborate and provide additional information.  Richards in 'Primula' (2003) says that P.gracilipes takes and intermediate position between the tighter, dwarfer P.petiolaris (I think only recorded from Nepal and Darjeeling-side, which if correct eliminates this from consideration for an AP specimen) and the larger, laxer P.bracteosa.

'Flora of Bhutan' (covering Bhutan and Sikkim, so close to AP) give a key that separates P.deuteronana (which the AP plant is not), P.gracilipes and P.petiolaris from P.irregularis, P.bracteosa and P.scapigera on the basis of: Flowers borne on pedicels amongst leaves of basal rosette, peduncles absent in flower and fruit - P.gracilipes cf. Flowers borne on distinct peduncle (often very short in flower), which elongates in fruit - P.bracteosa.

They also have slight but diagnostic differences in the shape of the calyx according to Richards but unhelpfully he does not say what.  According to 'Flora of Bhutan' the only differences I can understand are shape of calyx teeth but these are similar.  Such differences cannot be seen in most photos taken of Primulas.  There is a calyx visible (albeit not very close) in the photo from AP but this does not really help much.   So am still uncertain.

As to "peduncles" and "pedicels".  I think it would help to try and explain the difference.  In P.gracilipes there is no peduncle as each individual flower is borne on a slender pedicel (the stalk of an individual flower) from amongst the rosette of leaves.  A peduncle is the stalk of the inflorescence which in the case of P.bracteosa is present (and elongates in fruit) as seen in the herbarium specimen at Kew: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000750225.  This species has a single umbel of 3-17 flowers (each with a pedicel)

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji

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Thanks, Pam ji

On 23 Nov 2016 1:10 am, "Craig & Pam Eveleigh" <evel...@shaw.ca> wrote:

This is Primula scapigera, an interesting find for Arunachal Pradesh.

Mohan, I'd like to be able to post this to my website Primula World at www.primulaworld.com. I will contact you further about that, as I am travelling right now.

Best Wishes,

Pam

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Cc: "Mohan Kemparaju" <mohan.k...@gmail.com>, "sibdas" <sibda...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:33:19 AM
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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Pam ji

On 23 Nov 2016 1:10 am, "Craig & Pam Eveleigh" <evel...@shaw.ca> wrote:

This is Primula scapigera, an interesting find for Arunachal Pradesh.

Mohan, I'd like to be able to post this to my website Primula World at www.primulaworld.com. I will contact you further about that, as I am travelling right now.

Best Wishes,

Pam

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Cc: "Mohan Kemparaju" <mohan.k...@gmail.com>, "sibdas" <sibda...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 5:33:19 AM

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