Saxifraga andersonii ???

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg,

Enclosing some pictures for ID verification please.

Pictures were shot at Dhumba Lake Jomsom Nepal at 8900 ft on 22 April 2013

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji

[Saroj Kasaju]

Or Saxifraga hypostoma ??

[D.S Rawat]

Interesting Saxifraga species. Never seen in Uttarakhand.
DSRawat Pantnagar

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise  please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Or Saxifraga hypostoma ??- from Saroj ji

Interesting Saxifraga species. Never seen in Uttarakhand. DSRawat Pantnagar

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise  please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Or Saxifraga hypostoma ??- from Saroj ji

Interesting Saxifraga species. Never seen in Uttarakhand. DSRawat Pantnagar

I think it appears close to Saxifraga andersonii out of the two as per http://www.saxifraga.org/plants/saxbase/taxon.asp?Taxon=447

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: 2 August 2016 at 00:18
Subject: Saxifraga andersonii ???
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[Saroj Kasaju]

Shall I take it as Saxifraga andersonii Engl. (accepted name)  ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Tim ji

On 3 Mar 2017 7:59 p.m., "Tim Roberts" <tims.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

The saxifraga in the above images is S. poluniniana.
Tim Roberts

[Tim Roberts]

[Tim Roberts]

Saxifraga andersonii, Sabje khola, Central Nepal 3650m

Photo Tim Roberts

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Roberts for correct ID. It was pending since a long time .

Thank you Mr. Garg. 

Saxifraga poluninana H. Sm.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

I am pleased to have another person contributing about identification of Himalayan plants but do not have sufficient

knowledge of the Saxifraga genus in Nepal to confirm Tim's name.  It may well be correct, just that I am not in a position to agree or not.  Always best to express a degree of caution when one is uncertain, as far as plant identification is concerned - which applies to me in this case.

I am not a Saxifraga specialist but have started to taking an interest in the species of this genus found in the NW Himalaya (by this I primarily mean those recorded from Kashmir & Himachal Pradesh).   The only 'Kabschia' (those with lime-encrusted leaves) species known from the NW of the Himalaya is S.pulvinaria - according to the records I currently have.

My understanding is that what was known as the 'Kabschia' Saxifrages present challenges identification-wise.  I was sent, some 20 years ago, some notes of Saxifrages observed at high-altitudes in the Mustang district of Nepal, including hybrids.  I shall look these out and summarise the findings at some point - as they will help improve our understanding.

According to 'Flowers of the Himalaya', Saxifraga andersonii is common in the drier areas of W.Nepal, recorded from W.Nepal to SE Tibet on stony slopes & amongst rocks @ 3600-5200m.  This is what I assumed I saw below the Dhaulagiri ice-falls during my first visit to Nepal in 1990.   But one needs to recognise that 'Flowers of the Himalaya' only covers a fraction of the total flora of the Himalaya with space permitting only very brief, summarised descriptions, which are of limited value.

'Flowers of the Himalaya' describes S.poluninana* as rather lax, mat-forming with solitary short-stalked white flowers often pink-flushed in the sun, on rocks in W & C. Nepal @ 3300-3500. Its inclusion by Polunin & Stainton implies it should be quite common at such elevations in these habitats in Central & W.Nepal. Thus the record from Dhumba Lake is significantly lower than previously known. *Presumably this was named in honour of Oleg Polunin, co-author of 'Flowers of the Himalaya'.  The TYPE specimen was collected during the 1952 Polunin, Sykes & Williams Expedition to Nepal.

I certainly feel 'Kabschias' (in addition to S.pulvinaria) should be looked out for in Uttarakhand.  Perhaps some have already been recorded there in recent decades?

I shall be posting a couple of images of what was labelled as Saxifraga poluniniana at a specialist horticultural society show in the UK some 30 years ago - whether it really was this species, is quite another matter.  Many crosses have been made amongst 'Kabschia' Saxifrages, making it very difficult to differentiate between them in cultivation.

As for the suggestion of S.hypostoma, according to 'Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal' this had only been recorded between 4300-5200m (West & Central Nepal).  Perhaps more recent records exist beyond this altitudinal range.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Chadwell ji,  for additional inputs. 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Saxifraga poluninana H. Sm. is not included in the listing !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Already there at Saxifraga poluniniana

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes I have checked.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Mahadeswara]

Superb upload !

On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 12:18:20 AM UTC+5:30, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mahadeswara ji !

Saroj Kasaju

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