Sorry for late reply. I was waiting for the illustrations you
An error has crept in the title. It is Tecoma stans.
As per your suggestion I went ( Location-Kolkata ) and verified ;
leaves are not simple. They are trifoliate and opposite. You quoted RG
Bhatt(Flora of Udupi)
Leaves simple or 2-3 foliolets - T. castanifolia
Leaves 5-13 foliolets - T, stans.
Hence this cannot be uniquely identified . However I would like to
draw your attention to another specification from PIER for T. stans
"Shrub or small tree (one ref mentions 4m high) --- Leaves OPPOSITE,
pinnately compounded, leaflets 1-9, usually 3-7 - - " This lends
support it to be T. stans.
> indiantree...@googlegroups.comto reach the conversation to members of
> our group.
> Yes as you learned 3 foliolate leaves are also compound leaves. At first I
> learned that T. castanifolia has simple leaf then I referred more literature
> from our library and understood that it can have trifoliolate leaves as well
> along with simple leaves.
> To me 4m and 6-8m doesn't make much difference, rather I would consider the
> place where it grows as height of plants mostly depends upon availability of
> light and cluttering with other plants. If the plant stands alone there are
> chances that it might be smaller than that of another individual of the same
> species that grows in a clutter.
> One thing that would certainly clarifies about the species is the number of
> leaflets in one leaf stalk.
> If there are 5-13 leaflet in one leaf stalk it would be *T. stans*,
> otherwise it can be* T. castanifolia*.
> In south India T. stans is common and the other species is not as common.
> I will send you few illustrations of morphological characters of plants in
> another mail.
> On 27 September 2011 18:47, Subrata Mahapatra <sub.mahapa...@gmail.com
> > Many thanks for the wonderful video of bees collecting nectar.
> > Bhatt ji has said that it is T. stans.
> > For comparison you referred to article which describes 'leaves opposite,
> > pinnately compound [Pl. explain], leaflets 1-9, usually 3-7'. I told you I
> > am anovice. I had to learn what is a compound leaf. I saw a few
> > illustrations in the net in which trifoliate is shown as compound. Pl
> > educate me if you have time.In my previous letter to you i said that the
> > height of the tree is about 4 metres which is what the net describes. For
> > castanifolia net says "6-8" m which is definitely not. Why dont you look
> > from this angle also?
> > I understand my last submission is not coming for public. I wanted people
> > should be aware that it may be used as ornamental trees on the roads in
> > campuses.
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Giby Kuriakose <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com
> >> Dear Subrata Ji,
> >> The subject line for this post has broken at some point/s, I guess.
> >> Therefore, I am changing the subject line to the first upload and giving
> >> links for related discussions.
> >> I am extremely sorry that I couldn't reply in time as I was not accessing
> >> email for last 2-3 days.
> >> Yes I got your mail and let me correct myself on one aspect that, in *T.
> >> castanifolia *the leaves are not strictly simple but mostly simple and
> >> sometimes, especially at the tip leaves are tri-foliate*. *
> >> I hereby provide the key for *Tecoma *as seen in Bhat K G (2003) *Flora
> >> of Udupi*.
> >> Leaves simple or 2-3 foliolate........ *T. gaudichaudi *(now, *T.
> >> castanifolia*)
> >> Leaves 5-13 foliolate .................... *T. stans *
> >> Please visit the following site for a video in which bees (Apis cerana)
> >> visiting the flowers of *T. castanifolia. *In this video we can see most
> >> of the leaves are simple and the flowers are clustered (inflorescence) at
> >> the tip. * * * *
> >> click on *Tecoma castanifolia* to see picture)
visit this link
> >> for a comparison with *T. stans*)
> >> The pictures in your last mail shows that the leaves are tri-foliate in
> >> that case your plant could be *Tecoma castanifolia *(hoping that the
> >> basal/other leaves are also simple or tri-foliolate *not 5-13 foliolate*,
> >> * please confirm this*).
> >> Confusion always arise when there is no information related to the plants
> >> are available. Therefore, I once again request all members to provide as
> >> much information on the plant as you can along with the id request.
> >> Thanks and Regards,
> >> Giby
> >> On 24 September 2011 12:11, Subrata Mahapatra <sub.mahapa...@gmail.com
> >>> Dear Giby ji,
> >>> Why did not you confirm stans or castanifolia ? (excuse me for spelling
> >>> mistakes ). I went to the park and with a lucky coincidence could pluck and
> >>> sent it at once to indiantrrepix with copies to you. Leaves have serrated
> >>> edges. Do you call it tripinnate (three leaves in a stock) ? Please do
> >>> reply.It is then T.stans !
> >>> Pl. confirm..
> >>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Giby Kuriakose <
> >>> giby.kuriak...@gmail.com
> >>>> Dear Subrata Ji,
> >>>> Thank you very much for your reply.
> >>>> I am very pleased to know about you and your interest on plants.
> >>>> Yes, as we had discussed sometime in the thread *T. stans *do have
> >>>> compound leaves and *T. castanifolia *have simple leaves. Please check
> >>>> the following links below for more information
> >>>> *
> >>>> *
> >>>> *http://freeimagefinder.com/detail/319419120.html*
> >>>> Any further information on the plants in your pictures would be
> >>>> highly appreciated.
> >>>> Thanks and Regards
> >>>> Giby
> >>>> On 22 September 2011 20:22, Subrata Mahapatra <sub.mahapa...@gmail.com
> >>>>> Dear Giby
> >>>>> I'm a layman. My subject is Electronics.Height of the tree is about 4m
> >>>>> which tallies with web., flowers exactly like what i saw. So i was happy
> >>>>> with ID. Has T.stans compound leaf ? Net says ht for the other 6 to 8m
> >>>>> which is not the case. I,ll try to check, if successful let u know. Regards
> >>>> --
> >>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD
> >>>> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE),
> >>>> Royal Enclave,
> >>>> Jakkur Post, Srirampura
> >>>> Bangalore- 560064
> >>>> India
> >>>> Phone - +91 9448714856
> >>>> visit my pictures @http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby
> >> --
> >> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD
> >> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE),
> >> Royal Enclave,
> >> Jakkur Post, Srirampura
> >> Bangalore- 560064
> >> India
> >> Phone - +91 9448714856
> >> visit my pictures @http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby
> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD
> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE),
> Royal Enclave,
> Jakkur Post, Srirampura
> Bangalore- 560064
> Phone - +91 9448714856
> visit my pictures @http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby-
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