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J.M. Garg

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Apr 26, 2021, 12:38:49 AMApr 26
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Thanks, Bimal ji

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From: Bimal Sar kar <bima...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr, 2021, 8:42 am
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Attaching a few images of a wild plant. Seems to be some Leea species.
Please identify.
Identity 54 a.jpg
Identity 54 c.jpg
Identity 54 b.jpg

Saroj Kasaju

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Apr 26, 2021, 6:10:42 AMApr 26
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Yes!
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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J.M. Garg

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May 1, 2021, 6:46:28 AMMay 1
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Leea guineense G.Don is one possibility as per comparative images at Leea, but difficult to say with these images. 

On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 08:42, Bimal Sar kar <bima...@gmail.com> wrote:
Attaching a few images of a wild plant. Seems to be some Leea species.
Please identify.


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surajit koley

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May 1, 2021, 9:25:10 AMMay 1
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J.M. Garg

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May 7, 2021, 12:10:13 PMMay 7
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Thanks, Surajit ji.
May I request you to have a look at Leea guineense G.Don
Your sharp yes may find some Leea alata Edgew over here, 

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surajit koley

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May 7, 2021, 12:22:11 PMMay 7
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I only used the KEY in the "Bengal Plants", Sir, since this species is wild.
I will check our database for other uploads of red Leea.


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surajit koley

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May 8, 2021, 11:26:01 AMMay 8
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Sorry, Bimal Da, Garg Sir, it appears to me that I made another mistake in identifying it as Leea alata. Here, the leaves are not 1-pinnate, as I thought earlier. Please check the KEY to red flowered Leea, below :-
  1. Leaves 1-pinnate = L. alata Edgew.
  2. Leaves 1-2-3 pinnate (bipinnate, occasionally tripinnate at base - Flora of Zambia)  = L. guineensis G. Don
  3. Leaves 2-4 pinnate = L. rubra Bl. Ex Spreng
  4. Leaves 2-3 pinnate, leaves setaceously hairy above, below with setaceous hairs on the nerves = L. setuligera Clarke
Now, I myself am confused. Don't  have a clear idea how to differentiate the above spp.

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Surajit Koley

J.M. Garg

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May 14, 2021, 2:08:03 AMMay 14
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Hi, Bimal ji,
May I request you to pl. post more detailed images, showing stipules etc. for proper id. 
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surajit koley

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May 14, 2021, 3:03:07 AMMay 14
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I am confused here, Dada, please check and decide -
  • If leaves are 1-pinnate - it is Leea alata.
  • if leaves are more than 1-pinnate; and inside of the petal is red - it is Leea rubra
  • If leaves are more than 1-pinnate and inside of the petals are creamy-white - it is L. guineensis.
(Leea setuligera is not likely to be found there, it is like L. guineensis, but with hair on leaves.)


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surajit koley

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May 14, 2021, 3:08:55 AMMay 14
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Dada,

I would like to add one more point - that leaf rachis of Leea alata would be narrowly winged, which I do not see here.


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J.M. Garg

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May 17, 2021, 12:17:50 AMMay 17
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Date: Mon, 17 May, 2021, 8:27 am
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Thank you Garg ji.
It will not be possible immediately , as the image was taken in a forest.
However I will upload more images, if I come across the plant again.
Regards,

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surajit koley

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May 17, 2021, 11:11:52 AMMay 17
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A blog from Bangladesh feature similar looking Leea - http://www.floraofbangladesh.com/2019/10/bon-chalita-or-kukurjihba-leea-alata.html#:~:text=Bon%2Dchalita%20or%20Kukurjihba%20(Leea,and%20hilly%20areas%20of%20Bangladesh.

The fifth picture from the top of that blog displays young leaflets, and rachis having narrow wing (which is a feature of Leea alata.) - see top of the leaf - https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-loqG1bGxlns/Xbp3BFCNYBI/AAAAAAAATxw/DYpEx5782JILd0rd12uQC0DP_EWnF4n-wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Bon-chalita_Leea_alata_07.JPG

Now, look at the base of the leaf of the above picture, at first I thought it would grow to bi-pinnate leaf, and in that case the ID won't be Leea alata. But, what if it is the emergence of another 1--pinnate leaf?

In the same way Bimal Da's species might e Leea alata as well.

Regards,
surajit

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surajit koley

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May 17, 2021, 11:25:28 AMMay 17
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No, I cancel the idea.
Emergence of new leaf should carry a stipule.
So, I think the species in that blog is Leea rubra.
Bimal Da's plant should also be L. rubra.

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