Artemisia tournefortiana From Srinagar

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Dear members,

Am posting three photos of Artemesia tournefortiana Rchb.; growing on the side of a path in Rawathpora Srinagar.

All photos under CCLicence (Attribution only needed.)

Regards

Taffazull

[Gurcharan Singh]

Please see other possibilities, altitude seems lower for this species (2500 to 4000 m)

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Dear Gurcharan Ji,

Thanks for pointing out.

I have identified it because it was so identified by Kasuju ji and Miroslav ji in my previous post link copied below

Kindly help ID this Asteraceae member from Srinagar (google.com).

You can see the details of flowers and inflorescence and leaves etc on that post

I know too little taxonomy to comment on the same but if it is something else it would be very interesting.

If it is tournefortiana  it would still be interesting because of its being reported from a lower altitude than where it normally grows.

I reposted a new photo because at that time Tabish ji had requested a better photo but at that time I did not have any.

Again thanks for your very interesting observation.

Regards

Taffazull

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I noticed three pairs of linear 2mm long stipule like structures on the bases of the petioles arising from the adaxial side ( See Photo). One of them seems to be further divided into two.

Would request opinion of experts to confirm if they are stipules and would they be helpful in confirming its ID as A.tournefortiana .

Regards

Taffazull

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The illustration in Flora of China does not show the stipule like structures,

Illustration: Artemisia tournefortiana (efloras.org)

Could it be some other species as suggested by Gurcharan ji?

Regards

Taffazull

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Photo of a leaf showing stipule like structures at base of petiole not seen in FOC illustration

Regards

Taffazull

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Taffazull ji.

Pl. check keys in BSI Flora of India.

Also see descriptions in FBI and BSI Flora of India (description seems to be sketchy and very detailed). 

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Dear Garg ji,

Thanks for info

BSI mentions stem as white to dull purple but here it is light green with dark green streaks (see Photo).It also gives the altitude as 2500-4000m (Srinagar alt is 1600meters asl) as was also pointed out by Gurcharan ji.

Makes no mention of tiny stipule like structures at base of petiole.

Will try to post photos of phyllaries when it flowers.

Request opinion of experts

Regards

Taffazull

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Please see other possibilities, altitude seems lower for this species (2500 to 4000 m)- from Singh ji

Thanks for pointing out. I have identified it because it was so identified by Kasuju ji and Miroslav ji in my previous post link copied below Kindly help ID this Asteraceae member from Srinagar (google.com). You can see the details of flowers and inflorescence and leaves etc on that post I know too little taxonomy to comment on the same but if it is something else it would be very interesting. If it is tournefortiana  it would still be interesting because of its being reported from a lower altitude than where it normally grows. I reposted a new photo because at that time Tabish ji had requested a better photo but at that time I did not have any. Again thanks for your very interesting observation. Regards Taffazull

I noticed three pairs of linear 2mm long stipule-like structures on the bases of the petioles arising from the adaxial side ( See Photo). One of them seems to be further divided into two. Would request opinion of experts to confirm if they are stipules and would they be helpful in confirming its ID as A.tournefortiana - from Taffazul ji

The illustration in Flora of China does not show the stipule like structures, Illustration: Artemisia tournefortiana (efloras.org) Could it be some other species as suggested by Gurcharan ji? Regards Taffazull

Photo of a leaf showing stipule like structures at base of petiole not seen in FOC illustration Regards Taffazull

Thanks, Taffazull ji.

Pl. check keys in BSI Flora of India.

Also see descriptions in FBI and BSI Flora of India (description seems to be sketchy and very few details)- from me.

Thanks for info BSI mentions stem as white to dull purple but here it is light green with dark green streaks (see Photo).It also gives the altitude as 2500-4000m (Srinagar alt is 1600meters asl) as was also pointed out by Gurcharan ji. Makes no mention of tiny stipule like structures at base of petiole. Will try to post photos of phyllaries when it flowers. Request opinion of experts Regards Taffazull

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J.M.Garg

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With time the stipules? have become divided and look like tiny leaves.

See Photo taken on August 15

Regards

Taffazull

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Taffazull ji.

So what do you think finally w.r.t. it's Id?

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Dear Garg ji,

It is interesting that such a common weed seems to have gone unnoticed in Srinagar.

I have too little knowledge of taxonomy but would request the opinion of Gurcharan ji as he or his contacts in Botany Dept of Kashmir University must surely have studied this common herb.

Regards

Taffazull

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A possibility that comes to my mind is that it might be an invasive alien species that has not yet got noticed by local botanists.

Regards

Taffazull

[Saroj Kasaju]

Please cross verify with the image from Flora of Ladakh.

Thank you.

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Seems to be close but Leh is 3500 m asl but Srinagar (Rawathpora) is just about 1600 m asl.

I think my post would be the first record from this height.

Surprising that local botanists have missed this not uncommon herb.

Regards

Taffazull

[Saroj Kasaju]

Plants of Indian Himalayan Region, BSI

Artemisia tournefortiana Rchb., Iconogr. Bot. Exot. 1: 6. Pl. 5. 1824. Distribution: Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir; upto 3900 m.

That means the highest elevation is 3900m., lower elevation can be any.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx%3Fflora_id%3D2%26taxon_id%3D200023358&ved=2ahUKEwjvmtGmjJKIAxVXR2wGHbMJNDsQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw051MBiliKtJ0I8Mx25qQgC

Screenshot from Flora of India Vol. 12

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Saroj Kasaju

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Dear Saroj ji,

Thanks for the references and guidance 

All I was curious about was to know if it has been reported from Srinagar or other lowlands of the valley before or is it the first record.

Perhaps Gurcharan ji could enlighten us in this regard.

Sincere regards

Taffazull

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Dear Saroj ji,

I am a bit confused.

In your screen shot  Distribution (copy pasted below) is given as between 2500-4000m:

Distrib. IndIa: W. Himalayas. on sandy soil between 2500-4000m. Jammu & Kashmir and HimachaI Pradesh, 

.Pakistan . W. Tibet. Afghanistan and C. Asia.

Does it mean that in India it has not been reported below 2500m.?

To my mind that is the implication.

Regards

Taffazull

[Saroj Kasaju]

Different databases and books give  different elevation ranges. So, I guess

we have to consider the lowest and highest as the possibilities.

BSI book  : Plants of Indian Himalayan Region, BSI says :

Artemisia tournefortiana Rchb., Iconogr. Bot. Exot. 1: 6. Pl. 5. 1824. Distribution: Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir; upto 3900 m.

That means the range should be sea level to 3900m. But I have no idea of its recordings.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Dear Saroj ji,

Thanks for the clarification

At least I can say with confidence that this is the first posting on EFI

This to me is rather surprising as EFI has many posters from Srinagar including Gurcharan ji who has done a huge amount of work in collecting and recording the flora of the valley.

Regards

Taffazull