Requesting ID of this tree with white flowers - San Francisco, USA : 28052013 : ARK-02

[Alka Khare]

Hello friends

Requesting to please ID this medium sized tree with white flowers captured in Yosemite National Park, San Francisco, USA in May 2013.

Thanks and Regards

Alka Khare

[Mahadeswara]

One of the Dogwoods. Probably  Cornus florida . 

[Aruna Rai]

May be Cornus nuttallii

.....Aruna

On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:38:03 AM UTC+5:30, Alka Khare wrote:

[Alka Khare]

Thank you Aruna ji for the ID...

Thanks and Regards

Alka Khare

On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:38:03 AM UTC+5:30, Alka Khare wrote:

[Ushadi Micromini]

Ms Khare?
are all these flowers from the same tree?

asking since they look as if they might not be?

do you recall?
usha di

Alka Khare

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[Alka Khare]

Hello Ushaji

No, all the photographs are not of the same tree. They belong to different trees in the park.

Regards

Alka Khare

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

One of the Dogwoods. Probably Cornus florida.- from Mahadeswara ji.

May be Cornus nuttallii .....Aruna

are all these flowers from the same tree?

asking since they look as if they might not be? do you recall? usha di

No, all the photographs are not of the same tree. They belong to different trees in the park. Regards Alka Khare

Alka Khare

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[Alka Khare]

This has been identified as C. nuttallii in a FB group.

Regards

Alka Khare

On Thursday, June 13, 2013 at 2:45:54 PM UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote:

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

One of the Dogwoods. Probably Cornus florida.- from Mahadeswara ji.
May be Cornus nuttallii .....Aruna
are all these flowers from the same tree? asking since they look as if they might not be? do you recall? usha di
No, all the photographs are not of the same tree. They belong to different trees in the park. Regards Alka Khare

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Hello friends

Requesting to please ID this medium sized tree with white flowers captured in Yosemite National Park, San Francisco, USA in May 2013.

Thanks and Regards

Alka Khare

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[ushadi]

where are the pictures?

'Alka can you please bring them up here

please don't tell me to go search for them.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Where is the image ? 

Thank you.

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[ushadi]

pics 06, 07, 10, and 11 are Cornus nutalli

mountain dogwood

pic 03 an d05 seem to be Cornus florida variety

not sure which one grows in wilderness areas of pacific coastal areas?

but nothing I impossible

because pink var are claimed to be smuggled in to yosemite

and 62 not sure which one. most likely the wild  mountain dogwood.

Regards

Ushadi

[Alka Khare]

Thanks Usha di.

All the flower pics do have the same/very close to each other 'time taken'. So mostly they are of the same tree. I generally do that. However, I cannot be sure after these many years.

The long shot, however, has been clicked at a another time.

I asked Uncle Google about C. florida in Yosemite, but he could not give me much info on C. florida in Yosemite.

Would like to know why do you consider pics 03 and 05 to be another species (C. florida)? Is it because of the number of petals.

Regards

Alka Khare

On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 9:35:57 PM UTC+5:30, Ushadi wrote:

pics 06, 07, 10, and 11 are Cornus nutalli

mountain dogwood

pic 03 an d05 seem to be Cornus florida variety

not sure which one grows in wilderness areas of pacific coastal areas?

but nothing I impossible

because pink var are claimed to be smuggled in to yosemite

and 62 not sure which one. most likely the wild  mountain dogwood.

Regards

Ushadi

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Hello friends

Requesting to please ID this medium sized tree with white flowers captured in Yosemite National Park, San Francisco, USA in May 2013.

Thanks and Regards

Alka Khare

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[Mahadeswara]

Cornus for sure , but not  sure of the  species.  I have also seen this dogwood in Yosemite

[ushadi]

Mahadesrawa ji

we see mountain dogwood in the pacific coast

on the mountains and in the parks or wilderness areas

but the controversy ids about the  c. florida type of flowers

and the link I have given above says some times the inns or private gardens have planted the usual  (ie eastern var of dogwoods)

I have seen private yards homes in some redwood forests from before they were protected parks

and those yard have non-native plants.  some people have started documenting them.

takes a long time to track them, but if one searches long enough you can find them.

Regards

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[ushadi]

Alka

I like Uncle google.....

The flower petals really BRACTS are 4, and shape is different.

look at the distal end of the petals, its rounded and even has a vague notch or

what is reminiscent of a notch as in c. florida flower bracts/petals

ANd the real flowers look different to me,

I was not able to enlarge them well enough

to describe them officially.

Another dogwood c. capitata has similar bract shape as c. florida,

finally if you had gone back in end of summer or fall the red fruits would have been red, in either ...

but different looking.but its leaves to me are different. though you don't yet have many leaves.

But to me, you have two different types of flowers....

your major group is Mountain Dogwood.

sorry, that's as far as I can go today

Unless you can find the whole tree picture of these flowers

and we can point out that they arose from the same tree trunk, then

we can make a theory that perhaps the bracts are variable in numbers

 and shape in this particular mountain dogwood.

Regards

Ushadi

[Alka Khare]

Got it Ushadi!

And I thought them to petals!

Ok, so to order them in ascending order of time taken:

DSC05703 - C. florida

DSC05705 - C. florida

DSC05706 - C. florida (having 4 bracts and hence C. florida)

DSC05707 - C. nuttallii

DSC05711 - C. nuttallii

DSC05762 - C. nuttallii

Thank you Usha di for explaining it so well.

Also attaching cropped pics of the real flowers.

Thanks and regards

Alka Khare

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[ushadi]

4 bracts is usual, but you will find some sites say 4 to 6

but I have never seen 6

its the other points

that seem to differentiate in my mind

and the third TREE picture.... I cant name it beyond Flowering Dogwood

neither should you 

unless your last pictures are from that tree....

Regards

Ushadi

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[J.M. Garg]

I think all may be Cornus nuttallii as per differences between the two:

https://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2297

https://landscapeplants.oregonstate.edu/plants/cornus-nuttallii

http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFinderDetails.aspx?taxonid=279341&isprofile=0&=

Also see

https://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/plants/tree/cornut/all.html

https://calscape.org/Cornus-nuttallii-(Pacific-Dogwood)?srchcr=sc56f2187ede28c

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornus_nuttallii

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