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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 8, 2010, 2:26:21 PM10/8/10
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Cucumis melo ssp. agrestis

KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek kykyon, meaning cucumber   
MEL-oh -- meaning, an apple-shaped melon   
ag-RES-tiss -- of or belonging to fields


commonly known as: senat seed, small gourd, wild musk melon • Gujarati: કચરી kachari • Hindi:  कचरी kachari, कचरिया kachariya • Konkani: चिबडिण chibdin • Marathi: शिंडे shinde • Nepalese: gurmi • Rajasthani: कचरी kachari


Attached views along Ghodbunder Road,
... for more views http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumismelosspagrestis&m=tags



Regards.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 8, 2010, 2:52:42 PM10/8/10
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Balkar ji
Your fourth photograph may be C. melo (53) but not others, they appear C. sativus to me: flowers in clusters, pointed leaf lobes. The first one clearly has fruit of C. sativus.


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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 8, 2010, 2:53:42 PM10/8/10
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Sorry
I was to address Dinesh ji


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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 8, 2010, 5:10:33 PM10/8/10
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MEL means HONEY, is it very sweet? Never heard MELO for an APPLE
before.
Pankaj




On Oct 8, 11:53 pm, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry
> I was to address Dinesh ji
>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Balkar ji
> > Your fourth photograph may be C. melo (53) but not others, they appear C.
> > sativus to me: flowers in clusters, pointed leaf lobes. The first one
> > clearly has fruit of C. sativus.
>
> > --
> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> > Retired  Associate Professor
> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> > Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>
> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> *Cucumis melo* ssp. *agrestis*
>
> >> KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek *kykyon*, meaning cucumber
> >> MEL-oh -- meaning, an apple-shaped melon
> >> ag-RES-tiss -- of or belonging to fields
>
> >> *commonly known as*: senat seed, small gourd, wild musk melon • Gujarati:
> >> કચરી kachari • Hindi:  कचरी kachari, कचरिया kachariya • Konkani: चिबडिण
> >> chibdin • Marathi: शिंडे shinde • Nepalese: gurmi • Rajasthani: कचरी kachari
>
> >> Attached views along Ghodbunder Road,
> >> ... for more views
> >>http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumismelosspagrest...
>
> >> Regards.

promila chaturvedi

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Oct 9, 2010, 8:42:03 AM10/9/10
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Thanks Dinsh Ji for correcting my mistake.
Promila

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 9, 2010, 10:54:33 AM10/9/10
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Gurcharan ji ... just as you have pointed out, it must be so ... in the melee of plants, took this to be the fruit of the plant that was already known to me as Cucumis melo ssp. agrestis ... Cucumis sativus must have been there among the crowd of plants.

The other point about flowers in other photos seeming to be of Cucumis sativus ... please reconsider ... the flowers seen here have paler centre, may not be apparent in the photos, attaching one of them cropped to stress the difference, and the leaves have rounded lobes, rounded apex.

This combination of flower with paler centre, its size and the leaves looks similar to Isaac Kehimkar ji's illustration of Cucumis melo ssp. agrestis in his book Common Indian Wild Flowers, page 60 .. my take could be wrong.

Have also attached another cropped version, which your keen eye has found cluster of flowers and pointed leaf tip. This again is my oversight in identifying ... perceived the centre to be pale and overlooked all other features !!!


Now please resolve my confusion, am revising what looks wrong and correct (according to me !!)

WRONGLY CONSIDERED for Cucumis melo ssp. agrestis:
FIRST : 2933715087_9dae125453_o.jpg ... fruit looking clearly to be C. sativus
LAST : 2876451264_4010d2f233_b.jpg ... clustered flowers pointing to C. sativus

CORRECTLY CONSIDERED as Cucumis melo ssp. agrestis:
... the rest of photos in my initial post.



Regards.
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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 9, 2010, 12:00:51 PM10/9/10
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Dinesh ji
May be side view of young female flower will clinch the issue.

This one to me looks your typical C. melo agrestris


Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Dinesh Valke

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Oct 9, 2010, 12:20:38 PM10/9/10
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... will post side view of the flower as soon I get to this plant ... hoping what is seen here, is the female flower.

Attaching a cropped version of another photo ... for the time being ... full size can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/2875756021/sizes/o/

Regards.
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JM Garg

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Jan 23, 2021, 3:26:25 AMJan 23
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  I think this will be Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii as per images and details herein.  
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Dinesh Valke

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Jan 25, 2021, 6:22:00 AMJan 25
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Thanks very much Garg ji, for the ID.
Have revised my notes at flickr accordingly.
Regards.
Dinesh
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