Solnacaea week:Physalis minima

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Smita Raskar

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Apr 5, 2011, 6:11:53 AM4/5/11
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Hello
Physalis minima found at Sawantwadi, Maharashtra
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Smita raskar
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manudev madhavan

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Apr 5, 2011, 6:54:04 AM4/5/11
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Dear all, 

Can anybody tell how to differentiate P. minima from P. angulata??

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Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 5, 2011, 6:55:35 AM4/5/11
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Vijayasankar ji
Please help with the key of Indian species of P. minima complex


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Smita Raskar

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Apr 5, 2011, 8:47:17 AM4/5/11
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http://www.plantsystematics.com/qikan/manage/wenzhang/aps06141.pdf....refer  this link it gives details of species Physalis
It says (vi) Nicolson et al. (1988) reduced P. minima L. as a synonym of P. angulata L. 
There is a need to typify  Physalis minima L. However, Edmonds (personal 
communication) opines that the typification of the Linnaean P. minima is complex, with the 
lectotype (Hort. Cliff. no. 62, Physalis 5) being conspecific to  P. angulata. Therefore, she 
considers it as a synonym of the latter in her forthcoming account of Solanaceae in Flora of 
Tropical East Africa. Most of the descriptions and plates on which Linnaeus based his species 
also refer to P. angulata rather than to the small-flowered prostrate plant, usually known as 
“P. minima” (that we treat here as Physalis lagascae). 
Conversely, in the Indian taxonomic literature, we are dealing with two distinct elements 
(Table 1) under the name P. minima: First  one is an erect, robust, smooth, tetraploid taxon 
with bigger flowers (>7 mm across), bluish anthers, and fruiting calyces tinged purple   No. 2 RAJU et al.:The myth of “minima” and “maxima”, the species of Physalis 241
(P. angulata). The second one is a diffuse to erect, relatively smaller, pubescent, diploid taxon 
with smaller (<6 mm across) flowers (parviflora or micrantha), yellow anthers, and greenish 
fruiting calyces (P. lagascae). 

Smita Raskar

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Apr 5, 2011, 8:56:37 AM4/5/11
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Yeah Key is useful but then i must be wrong in id of my plant,i think picture i hv posted should be Physalis angulata according to this key..is it...plz help i am confused :(

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Smita ji for useful information. This should really help in understanding our photographs.


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Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 5, 2011, 9:28:27 AM4/5/11
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Yes looks like P. angulata
Here is mine from Delhi


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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 5, 2011, 8:52:07 AM4/5/11
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Thanks Smita ji for useful information. This should really help in understanding our photographs.


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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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Smita Raskar

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Apr 5, 2011, 10:42:01 AM4/5/11
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Yeah thanks:)

Neil Soares

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Apr 5, 2011, 1:45:31 PM4/5/11
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Hi,
  These are mine. Taken on my property in August 2010. Presume they are Physalis minima.
                         With regards,
                           Neil Soares.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 6, 2011, 8:16:46 AM4/6/11
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I think the same Physalis angulata, since P. minima L. is no longer an accepted name



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Retired  Associate Professor
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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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Neil Soares

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Apr 6, 2011, 12:35:43 PM4/6/11
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Hi,
 Thank you Prof. Singh for your feedback.
 
 Dr. Almeida in his 'Flora of Maharashtra' Vol 3-B lists Physalis angulata & Physalis minima as distinct species.
 Furthermore, he states that though P.angulata has been recorded from a few places in Maharashtra, it is a native of the West Indies.
 
 Will therefore have to stick with my plants being Physalis mininma.
                           Regards,
                            Neil Soares.

Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 6, 2011, 12:48:10 PM4/6/11
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Neil ji
Perhaps you did not get my point. P. minima L. is no longer a valid name and as such can't be used for any species, in the same way as we can't call any species as Solanum indicum. The plants hitherto known as Physalis minima L. are as such correctly P. angulata L.



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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Smita Raskar

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Apr 6, 2011, 2:12:19 PM4/6/11
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thanks for info.i hv corrected it to P. angulata

Neil Soares

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Apr 7, 2011, 12:35:52 AM4/7/11
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Hi Prof. Singh,

  Sought a clarification from Dr. Almeida. His take on this:

 

-         Most of the Physalis species found in India are not indigenous but introduced from the Americas.

-         Linnaeus described Physalis minima and hence a type specimen must exist.

-         The nomenclature of Indian species is rather ambiguous - specimens initially described [possibly even in Cooke’s Flora] as P. minima had large flowers and would therefore now be labelled P.angulata.

-         P.minima [with tiny flowers] does exist and has been recorded by Dr. Almeida in a few places including the Borivali N.P., Bombay.

 

My plants have large flowers and would therefore be P.angulata.

Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 7, 2011, 12:45:12 AM4/7/11
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Thanks Neil ji


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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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