Id request for this species of Arenaria .

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Shakir ahmad (Ammatuer Taxonomist)

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May 18, 2021, 1:18:35 PM5/18/21
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Please have look on these small incision on petals. 
Location pampore jammu and kashmir
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Mahadeswara

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May 18, 2021, 10:51:00 PM5/18/21
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It is better to post  habit pictures , foliage etc. for proper ID.   such cropped images may some times mislead the identification process.

J.M. Garg

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May 27, 2021, 2:25:42 AM5/27/21
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Hi, Shakir ji,
Pl. post a habit image.
To me styles appear to be 5.
It is not Arenaria, as it has 3 styles.
To me it appears to be Cerastium, which has 3 or 5 styles.

I checked in comparative images at Cerastium and species listed in Flora of Pakistan with keys and Checklist of Nepal, but could not find a match.
What are the species listed in your area?


On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 22:48, Shakir ahmad (Ammatuer Taxonomist) <saadiks...@gmail.com> wrote:
Please have look on these small incision on petals. 
Location pampore jammu and kashmir

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J.M. Garg

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May 27, 2021, 4:27:05 AM5/27/21
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Thanks. I need list of species reported in your area or in J and K.

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:386308] Id request for this species of Arenaria .
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Habit. 
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J.M. Garg

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May 27, 2021, 5:19:48 AM5/27/21
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No, It is not Arenaria.
I am asking about Cerastium.

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On Thu, 27 May, 2021, 2:04 pm Shakir ahmad (Ammatuer Taxonomist), <saadiks...@gmail.com> wrote:
We have areneria  serpylifolia and A.kashmirica

J.M. Garg

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May 27, 2021, 6:05:46 AM5/27/21
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Ok, Shakir ji


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On Thu, 27 May, 2021, 3:17 pm Shakir ahmad (Ammatuer Taxonomist), <saadiks...@gmail.com> wrote:
We have 3 sp. Of Cerastium here. 
C.davuricum.
C.cerastoides.
C.fontanum.

J.M. Garg

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Jun 2, 2021, 7:54:32 AM6/2/21
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Does not match with either of the three as per comparative images at Cerastium
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J.M. Garg

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Jun 2, 2021, 8:06:47 AM6/2/21
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Also could not find a match with any species as per Flora of Pakistan.
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Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 6, 2021, 3:24:42 AM6/6/21
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Surely Cerastium, bifid petals and 5 styles, more pictures would help but lax flowers and petals shorter than sepals suggest C. fontanum

Shakir Ahmad (Amateur Taxonomist)

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Jun 6, 2021, 3:50:24 AM6/6/21
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Yes it resembles with C. fontanum... 

J.M. Garg

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Jun 13, 2021, 7:23:12 AM6/13/21
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Taxonomy of Cerastium fontanum looks quite complex.
Also no habit and lower portion image, makes the task further difficult.
Cerastium fontanum does not have distribution in our area as per POWO and CoL and also looks different as per GBIF specimens. 
Two subspecies can be expected as per FoP and CoN
Cerastium fontanum subsp. triviale (Link) Jalas (syn. of Cerastium glomeratum as per POWO) looks different as per GBIF specimens
Cerastium fontanum subsp. grandiflorum H. Hara appears somewhat close as per POWO, GBIF specimens- one, two, three, but has only distribution in Nepal as per CoN and POWO and CoL. But it appears close to your area as per distribution in POWO.
But I am still not sure. 




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J.M. Garg

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Jun 13, 2021, 8:29:55 AM6/13/21
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On further consideration, it appears close to Cerastium holosteoides as per POWO (syn: Cerastium fontanum subsp. vulgare (Hartman) Greuter & Burdet of Flora of China)  
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J.M. Garg

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Jun 13, 2021, 11:43:06 AM6/13/21
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Let me confirm it sir

Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 15, 2021, 7:51:17 AM6/15/21
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Yes it is what we have been treating as C. fontanum (var. triviale), it is our choice whether we want to follow POWO and call it C. glomeratum or follow WFO and call it Cerastium fontanum subsp. vulgare.
It is high time we decide and put boldly on our website which Database we are following. We can't tell the World that we are following different databases for different plants, which one for this particular taxon?

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