Fwd: Campanula cana - the true species in H.P.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Chadwell ji.

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From: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Date: 17 February 2017 at 23:18
Subject: Campanula cana - the true species in H.P.
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Sorry but the entries under C.cana in eFI at present do NOT match my understanding of

that species.

Stewart does not include it in his Catalogue nor is it mentioned in Campanulaceae for Pakistan.

Back in 1989 a colleague of mind found a Campanula near the bottom of the Rohtang Pass.  He

initially assumed it was Campanula cashmeriana but having seen this species in Kashmir, it was

clear to me that they did not match.  I have some images of this in cultivation which I plan to post

at some point.

After some time I reached the conclusion that the plant in the upper Kulu Valley was C.cana - even

though it had not been recorded previously West of what was Kumaon.

There has been much confusion about the smaller-flowered Campanulas in the Himalaya.  Flora

Simlensis included Campanula canescens (which Stewart gave as a synonym of C.benthamii) and

C.cana under C.colorata - which is now a synonym of C.pallida. 

See: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000814540  for a herbarium specimen

at Kew - although low resolution, you can clearly see differences with the specimens named C.cana on eFI.

See:  http://elmer.rbge.org.uk/bgbase/vherb/bgbasevherb.php?cfg=bgbase/vherb/zoom.cfg&filename=E00275060.zip&queryRow=3

for a high resolution image which one can zoom into.

However, it seems to me that not all specimens at Edinburgh match well with my understanding of this species -

nor do some of the images available on the internet.

All this requires further study.

Hopefully the additional images I will post shall provide supporting evidence for my thinking.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

Pl. the following links on Flora of China for Campanula cana:

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104629&flora_id=800 

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104630&flora_id=800 

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104631&flora_id=800 

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104632&flora_id=800 

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=104633&flora_id=800"

I am unable to related your posted image with the herbarium specimen for which you have given the links.

[C CHADWELL]

I am in FULL agreement that what I currently understand to be C.cana does

NOT tally/match with the images you have provided links to.

I have high regard for the work of Professor Bouffard at Harvard but occasionally

the same type of images from China of species I am familiar with from the borderlands

of W.Tibet do not match well his/his team's images (this is for other species belonging

to different genera).

I do have an image (a colour print) which I intend to look out and scan in (which was

published in a past journal of the Himalayan Plant Association) of what I consider is Campanula

cana in cultivation.  This I can then post.

Seems to me that the genus Campanula (like so many others) is need of revision in the Himalaya

(and bordering regions).

IF, what I consider to be C.cana, is not, then it certainly belongs to a different taxon to the plant

illustrated in the links you provided. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: chrischa...@btinternet.com
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2017, 11:30
Subject: Re: Campanula cana - the true species in H.P.

See: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/ge tImage.do?imageBarcode=K000814 540  for a herbarium specimen

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Chadwell ji

On 28 Feb 2017 2:52 p.m., "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

I am in FULL agreement that what I currently understand to be C.cana does

NOT tally/match with the images you have provided links to.

I have high regard for the work of Professor Bouffard at Harvard but occasionally

the same type of images from China of species I am familiar with from the borderlands

of W.Tibet do not match well his/his team's images (this is for other species belonging

to different genera).

I do have an image (a colour print) which I intend to look out and scan in (which was

published in a past journal of the Himalayan Plant Association) of what I consider is Campanula

cana in cultivation.  This I can then post.

Seems to me that the genus Campanula (like so many others) is need of revision in the Himalaya

(and bordering regions).

IF, what I consider to be C.cana, is not, then it certainly belongs to a different taxon to the plant

illustrated in the links you provided. 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>
Cc: chrischadwell261@btinternet.com

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Campanula wattiana Nayar & Babu ??

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

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J. M. Garg

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From: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Feb, 2017, 11:18 pm
Subject: Campanula cana - the true species in H.P.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Sorry but the entries under C.cana in eFI at present do NOT match my understanding of

that species.

Stewart does not include it in his Catalogue nor is it mentioned in Campanulaceae for Pakistan.

Back in 1989 a colleague of mind found a Campanula near the bottom of the Rohtang Pass.  He

initially assumed it was Campanula cashmeriana but having seen this species in Kashmir, it was

clear to me that they did not match.  I have some images of this in cultivation which I plan to post

at some point.

After some time I reached the conclusion that the plant in the upper Kulu Valley was C.cana - even

though it had not been recorded previously West of what was Kumaon.

There has been much confusion about the smaller-flowered Campanulas in the Himalaya.  Flora

Simlensis included Campanula canescens (which Stewart gave as a synonym of C.benthamii) and

C.cana under C.colorata - which is now a synonym of C.pallida. 

See: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000814540  for a herbarium specimen

[J.M. Garg]

Yes, appears so.

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J.M.Garg

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju