efloraofindia:''For Id 11102011MR2’’ Resurfacing for Id ?Licuala grandis Ruffled fan palm Pune

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Madhuri Raut

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Oct 13, 2011, 1:54:20 AM10/13/11
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Resurfacing for identification 

Can this be

Licuala grandis  Ruffled fan palm http://philippinegarden.com/html/gallery/gallery_ll.html#3

 

 

Prior identification

 

borassus sps or palm Hari lal ji

 

some species of Borassus.Tanay Bose ji

 

This should Livistonia chinensis. Dr Pankaj ji, Gibyji, Balkarji

 

Wwashingtonia   Dr Pankaj ji

 

Could be Bismarckia nobilis  Samir Mehta

 

Date/Time-Sep 2011

 

Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-Pune

 

Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-Private garden

 

Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Palm

 

Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-Fan shaped green

 

Regards

Bhagyashri

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Giby Kuriakose

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Oct 13, 2011, 2:09:16 AM10/13/11
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This may not be Licuala grandis because the cleft at the tip of leaves are deeper in this picture whereas, the same in Licuala grandis is very shallow. 
We shall wait for others comments.  



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Dr Pankaj Kumar

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Oct 13, 2011, 2:11:54 AM10/13/11
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This is Livistonia chinensis I assume.
Pankaj


On Oct 13, 1:54 pm, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Resurfacing for identification
>
> Can this be
>
> *Licuala grandis ** *Ruffled fan palmhttp://philippinegarden.com/html/gallery/gallery_ll.html#3
>
> Prior identification
>
> borassus sps or palm Hari lal ji
>
> some species of Borassus.Tanay Bose ji
>
> This should Livistonia chinensis. Dr Pankaj ji, Gibyji, Balkarji
>
> Wwashingtonia   Dr Pankaj ji
>
> Could be Bismarckia nobilis  Samir Mehta
>
> Date/Time-Sep 2011
>
> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-Pune
>
> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-Private garden
>
> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Palm
>
> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-Fan shaped green
>
> Regards
>
> Bhagyashri
>
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Giby Kuriakose

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Oct 13, 2011, 2:15:02 AM10/13/11
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I too think that this is Livistonia chinensis


Regards,
Giby



2011/10/13 Dr Pankaj Kumar <sahani...@gmail.com>

Bhatt Sweta

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Oct 13, 2011, 2:16:14 AM10/13/11
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I too think it is Livinstonia chinensis.

Regards,
Shweta

2011/10/13 Giby Kuriakose <giby.ku...@gmail.com>



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Madhuri Raut

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Oct 13, 2011, 2:30:15 AM10/13/11
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Thank you Gibyji,Pankajji and Swetaji for Id
Thank you Gibyji for pointing out the difference in the notching of the leaves. It is extremely clear now. Thank you again
Regards
Bhagyashri

2011/10/13 Bhatt Sweta <bhatt...@gmail.com>

shrikant ingalhalikar

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Oct 13, 2011, 1:05:25 PM10/13/11
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The apex of leaf segment is not drooping hence it would be Livistona
rotundifolia. Anyway young palms can be misleading for ID. Regards,
Shrikant

On Oct 13, 10:54 am, Madhuri Raut <itii...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Resurfacing for identification
>
> Can this be
>
> *Licuala grandis ** *Ruffled fan palmhttp://philippinegarden.com/html/gallery/gallery_ll.html#3
>
> Prior identification
>
> borassus sps or palm Hari lal ji
>
> some species of Borassus.Tanay Bose ji
>
> This should Livistonia chinensis. Dr Pankaj ji, Gibyji, Balkarji
>
> Wwashingtonia   Dr Pankaj ji
>
> Could be Bismarckia nobilis  Samir Mehta
>
> Date/Time-Sep 2011
>
> Location- Place, Altitude, GPS-Pune
>
> Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-Private garden
>
> Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Palm
>
> Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-Fan shaped green
>
> Regards
>
> Bhagyashri
>

Madhuri Raut

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Oct 14, 2011, 2:35:29 AM10/14/11
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I have studied the two plants on the net and found the following relevant info
Considering these points does it favor more to be Livistonia chinensis
Attaching new pictures showing Petiole and its attachment to the leaf blade which was not clear in previous pictures
Please validate

 

Livistonia chinensis

Livistona rotundifolia

 

Plant posted by me

Petiole

 

Petioles longer than the leaf blades, stout, round spines on the petiole;

Petiole is not longer than leaf blade, spines do not appear round

Leaf

The leaves of t his palm are fairly large and marked costapalmate (palmate but with a ‘costa' or midrib down the middle at which point the palm has a deep ‘V') with elegant drooping leaflets about the distal ¼ of the leaf.

leaf blades round, not deeply incised, the tips not drooping or scarcely drooping

The leaves of t his palm are fairly large and marked with a midrib down the middle at which point the palm has a deep ‘V')

Reference

http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/1239/#b

 

http://www.plantbook.org/plantdata/arecaceae/livistona_rotundifolia.html

 

 


Regards
Bhagyashri





2011/10/13 shrikant ingalhalikar <le...@rediffmail.com>
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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 14, 2011, 3:07:48 AM10/14/11
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Licuala is out of contention, because it has leaves, almost undivided blade with toothed outer margin

There is a close race between Livistona chinensis and L. rotundifolia, but I will go with L. chinensis for two reasons

1. The leaf of L. rotundifolia has uncut portion more than half, whereas in L. chinensis the cuts proceed below middle

2. The upper leaf surface more delicate and flatter in L. rotundifolia, deeper grooves in L. chinensis

The plant is too young to show pendulous tips, generally seen in older plants.

But who knows, some other species may spring up. Frankly I don't have much experience with palms, but know Licuala and Livistona clear differences.
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Madhuri Raut

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Oct 14, 2011, 3:09:16 AM10/14/11
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Thank you Gurcharan ji
Regards
Bhagyashri

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