Fwd: Geraniums in Ladakh Part I

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji

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From: "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Date: 14 Dec 2016 1:04 am
Subject: Geraniums in Ladakh Part I
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc:

I am posting some fine images of a showy Geranium taken in Ladakh by Feroze Khan & Mudita Badhwar

supplied through Deepak Badwhar.

I know what I consider this species to be but would be informative for members of this

group to offer suggestions or if they can, a firm identification.

Intend to post images of other Geraniums from Ladakh.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

[Gurcharan Singh]

These seem to match my specimens of Geranium collinum.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

These seem to match my specimens of Geranium collinum. Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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From: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Date: 14 December 2016 at 00:58
Subject: Geraniums in Ladakh Part I
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

I am posting some fine images of a showy Geranium taken in Ladakh by Feroze Khan & Mudita Badhwar

supplied through Deepak Badwhar.

I know what I consider this species to be but would be informative for members of this

group to offer suggestions or if they can, a firm identification.

Intend to post images of other Geraniums from Ladakh.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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J.M.Garg

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[C CHADWELL]

Thanks for this I shall comment further about G.collinum in due course.

For the time being,     Dickore & Klimes in the most up-to-date check-list for Ladakh only list                        

Geranium himalayense, G.pratense susbp.stewartianum, G.regelii and G.

sibiricum. 

The Geranium collected by my team during the Southampton University Ladakh Expedition

1980 number 12 was identified at Kew as Geranium collinum Willd. - found at 3200m in grassy verge by

irrigation channel of barley field at Panichar in Suru Valley. Moist loamy soil. With Senecio chrysanthemoides,

& grasses.  Petals pale mauve with purple lines, some lilac almost white but still with purple veins.

The member of the Kew staff who determined the specimen had been to Afghanistan (where I currently

consider G.collinum is found) and assumed our geranium was this species but that was 35 years ago.

I now consider this to be Geranium himalayense Klotsch (syn. G.grandiflorum).

The Geranium collected during the Southampton University Expedition to Zanskar, 1981 was named at

the Natural History Museum, London as Geranium cf. meeboldii.  This, No.1, was the first specimen that

team collected - at 3350m; it was abundant in sandy/clay soil along irrigation channels around field at Padum;

the channel banks were moist and sometimes full of water.

I now consider this to be Geranium himalayense Klotsch (syn. G.grandiflorum).

However, I do not consider the geranium photographed by Khan & Badwhar to be this species but a

different one, not currently on eFI.

Please note that some specimens I find hard to distinguish between G.himalayense and this species -

I have attempted to explain already (and shall elaborate) on the challenges some Geraniums present

identification-wise.

I shall comment further once I have received (studied) a copy of a relevant book which I have been able

to order second-hand at a modest cost in aid of one of Air Ambulance Services.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2016, 8:43
Subject: Fwd: Geraniums in Ladakh Part I

[C CHADWELL]

Thanks for the response but disappointed that nobody else has suggested an

identification.

I shall comment further about my present understanding of Geraniums in Ladakh

but for the time-being will say that I am in agreement with the listing by Dickore &

Klimes (2005) for Ladakh of:

Geranium himalayense

G.pratense susbp. stewartianum (though have not seen it in Ladakh myself - the nearest being Baltal

near Sonamarg at the bottom of the Zoji La)

Geranium regelii

Geranium sibiricum 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2016, 8:43

Subject: Fwd: Geraniums in Ladakh Part I

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot,  Chadwell ji.

On 21 Jan 2017 5:51 a.m., "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Thanks for the response but disappointed that nobody else has suggested an

identification.

I shall comment further about my present understanding of Geraniums in Ladakh

but for the time-being will say that I am in agreement with the listing by Dickore &

Klimes (2005) for Ladakh of:

Geranium himalayense

G.pratense susbp. stewartianum (though have not seen it in Ladakh myself - the nearest being Baltal

near Sonamarg at the bottom of the Zoji La)

Geranium regelii

Geranium sibiricum 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

[J.M. Garg]

[J.M. Garg]

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From: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Date: 21 January 2017 at 05:51
Subject: Re: Fwd: Geraniums in Ladakh Part I
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

Thanks for the response but disappointed that nobody else has suggested an

identification.

I shall comment further about my present understanding of Geraniums in Ladakh

but for the time-being will say that I am in agreement with the listing by Dickore &

Klimes (2005) for Ladakh of:

Geranium himalayense

G.pratense susbp. stewartianum (though have not seen it in Ladakh myself - the nearest being Baltal

near Sonamarg at the bottom of the Zoji La)

Geranium regelii

Geranium sibiricum 

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

[J.M. Garg]

I guess matching with Geranium saxatile Kar. & Kir. Syn : Geranium regelii Nevski !
Thank you
Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Saroj ji,

From where did you identify it as it is a very confusing genus?

Appears possible as per GBIF specimens:

Specimen 1

Specimen 2

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Actually, I am spending whole day since few days to track IDs of pendings in site. 

So, googling and books referring !

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji.

What about this one ?

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

[Saroj Kasaju]

Cross verifying listing from Ladakh you have recently sent and googling!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Geranium saxatile ?

Group discussion at

Fwd: Geraniums in Ladakh Part I (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Geranium saxatile ?

Group discussion at

Fwd: Geraniums in Ladakh Part I (google.com)