Help identify this Fabaceae (Desmodium Sp ?)

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Jun 30, 2025, 6:11:17 AMJun 30
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Dear members ,
Please help identify  this plant with beautiful violet flowers.
It was growing wild on a dry sloping side of  a bund in Rawathpora Srinagar .It is a herb branched at base has leaves with three leaflets and  violet flowers with very short 1mm long pedicils (see photos).All photos were taken today only(30 June 2025).
Is it Desmodium species and if so what species .
Would be grateful for help in identification
Regards
PLANT2.jpg
FLOWER2.jpg
PLANT1.jpg
leaflets and flowers.JPG
OVARY.JPG

Saroj Kasaju

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Jun 30, 2025, 6:58:15 AMJun 30
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Are these mobile shots ? Images are so unclear. Cannot zoom.
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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Jun 30, 2025, 7:07:15 AMJun 30
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Yes , unfortunately had to take the pictures while walking.
 The other pictures taken with a cut branch placed on graph paper are I think better
Hope they help
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Jun 30, 2025, 9:39:16 AMJun 30
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The height is between 4-6 inches (10-15cm)

J.M. Garg

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Jul 2, 2025, 3:05:52 AMJul 2
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Jul 2, 2025, 8:02:43 AMJul 2
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Dear Garg ji,
Thans for the suggestion,
As you can see from the photo of a branch placed on graph paper the leaflets are just about 7mm long and 2mm wide but in lucerne they are 10 -25 mm long. Also lucerne is a tall grass but this has a spreading habit with branches just about 4 inches above ground. The petals also are just 2-3 mm long See photo of flower on graph paper (1 square=1mm).I think it is very different from M.sativa.
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Jul 3, 2025, 6:02:16 AMJul 3
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Two more picture showing much branched spreading habit and details of inflorescence
Photos taken on 3July2025

INFLORESCENCE1.JPG
BRANCHING.JPG

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Jul 3, 2025, 6:24:40 AMJul 3
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Photo showing details of stipules 2mm long and 0.5mm broad.
I think the stipules rule out M.sativa.
Gurcharan ji could help us in this matter.
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Jul 3, 2025, 6:30:44 AMJul 3
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One more photo
PLANTPHOTO3.jpg

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Jul 5, 2025, 3:26:51 AMJul 5
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Some more photos.
All photos taken on5/July/2025
All photos posted by me at this site are under CC licence(attribution only needed for commercial or noncommercial use)
Regards

PETALS.JPG
INFLORESCENCE.JPG
ANTHERS AND STIGMA.JPG
TRIANGULAR STIGMA ( X 50).JPG
CALYX.JPG
FLOWERS.JPG

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Jul 5, 2025, 3:59:20 AMJul 5
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One more photo
Note flask shaped ovary with triangular (trifid ?) stigma

Ovary and stigma.JPG

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Jul 5, 2025, 4:00:46 AMJul 5
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For graph paper 1 small square =1mm

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Jul 5, 2025, 7:52:20 AMJul 5
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One more photo of triangular concave stigma
TRIANGULAR STIGMA ( X 50)2.JPG

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Jul 6, 2025, 1:01:33 AMJul 6
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Photos of pollen grains
I hope with all the photos the plant can now be identified by experts
Regards
Taffazull

POLLEN3 (X150).JPG
POLLEN2(X675).JPG
POLLEN1(X675).JPG

J.M. Garg

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Jul 7, 2025, 6:45:37 AMJul 7
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Flora of China says "... Stipules ovate-lanceolate, base entire or with 1 or 2 denticles, apex acute; ...."
I think id is correct with your additional images.



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Jul 7, 2025, 7:54:57 AMJul 7
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Dear Garg ji,
Thanks for the suggestion
Flora of China mentions ovary linear but if you see the photos of ovary I have posted ovary is flask shaped  with a distinct curvature.
Perhaps an expert like Gurcharan ji could help in this matter
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Jul 7, 2025, 8:02:31 AMJul 7
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Two photos of stigma seen from front. Densely covered with papillae. Mag X 50. The the previous photos of Stigma I posted were at a much higher mag.
STIGMA (X50)1.JPG
STIGMA (X50)2.JPG

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Jul 7, 2025, 8:11:35 AMJul 7
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Could be M.sativa as stem is (rarely) prostrate
Would request kind opinion of Gurcharan ji
Regards
Taffazull

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Jul 10, 2025, 4:14:43 AMJul 10
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Am attaching a  illustration in public domain Wikimedia Commons.
(Attribution Amédée Masclef, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons)
The linear ovary in the illustration is very different from the ovary in my plant (photo attached)
Would request opinion of experts.
Prostrate habit and shape of ovary make identification as M.sativa problematic for me.
Regards

Ovary and stigma.JPG
75_Medicago_sativa_L wikipedia.jpg

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Jul 10, 2025, 4:17:26 AMJul 10
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Or I could be confused as I do not have much experience in the field

J.M. Garg

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Jul 13, 2025, 7:16:51 AMJul 13
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Ok, Taffazul ji.
I keep it as M.sativa? for the time being. 

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 13, 2025, 7:25:36 AMJul 13
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Medicago sativa L. is correct ?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fne.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2Fचित्र%3AMedicago-sativa-flowers.jpg&psig=AOvVaw1YeSH5pZoIG9wJsQccv1up&ust=1752492138685000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBMQjhxqFwoTCOCS8ZPcuY4DFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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Jul 14, 2025, 1:57:26 AMJul 14
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Dear Garg Ji and Kasoj ji,
Thanks  for the identification,
I agree it is M. Sativa  but it has some features which could suggest it to be a sub species perhaps endemic to Kashmir valley.
The most notable thing apart from its small leaflets is the morphology of the ovary (see attached photos). The most noticeable things are:
1. The ovary is about 5mm long of which lower 3/5ths is green but upper 2/5ths is white and translucent. The shape of the lower 3/5ths green part is linear as reported in FOC.
2.At the transition between the green and white portion the ovary dilates into a flask like structure with a tapering neck with the stigma at the end. It was this expanded part which first misled me into supposing that ovary is not linear but flask shaped.
3.The style does not appear to be clearly demarcated from the ovary but it seems that the stigma is borne sessile on the tapering part.
Thus it is possible that it is a subspecies differing from the type species in  having small leaves, prostrate habit and peculiar morphology of the ovary
Regards

PHOTO3.JPG
PHOTO2.JPG
PHOTO 1.JPG

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 14, 2025, 1:59:26 AMJul 14
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OK Dr. Taffazull.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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